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fern hill
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posted 15 March 2005 12:34 PM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And will open in Toronto.

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Aiyeee. Lion King was a cartoon, then an Icecapades (I think I'm making that up), then a musical. Musicals become movies and vice versa. Ditto telly and movies. And isn't there a tv drama about a young woman who wins something like American Idol?

The moguls are so craven, they only try to sell what has sold before.


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Mandos
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posted 15 March 2005 01:01 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My goodness. This sounds so awful.
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posted 15 March 2005 01:41 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What's the strange, whining sound? Must be Tolkein, spinning in his grave.
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posted 15 March 2005 01:58 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, he'll be the low moan. The whining will be the LOTR fans saying "but that wasn't in the book!! Or that!".
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posted 15 March 2005 02:02 PM      Profile for miles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
some good may come from this production. This production may just help the hospitality sector of Toronto not to mention those who are hired to work on the production.

As much as I fear that the production will be trashy the good will be simply more theatre jobs in Toronto.

Actra and the other unions will love this production


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Nobody EVER thinks of the nerds.
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posted 15 March 2005 02:32 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

My pick for Wormtongue...


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posted 15 March 2005 02:36 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
Actually, he'll be the low moan. The whining will be the LOTR fans saying "but that wasn't in the book!! Or that!".

But it wasn't!


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posted 15 March 2005 02:37 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This calls to mind an old Letterman "Top Ten" list... something like "Top Ten Worst Remakes Ever", and it included the musical "Oprah-homa", "Oh Velveeta", and "Soul on Ice, on Ice".
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posted 15 March 2005 02:45 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Or Cop Rock
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It might not be bad if it was just a stage version of LOTR, but turning anything into a musical instantly converts it into pure shit.
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angrymonkey
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posted 16 March 2005 01:26 AM      Profile for angrymonkey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
There will be no singing and dancing Hobbits

That's pretty funny since in the books they were the only characters that did sing and dance, as I recall.


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posted 16 March 2005 01:37 AM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That'll be the dwarves: "Hi ho! Hi ho! It's off to Eriador we go! With the dragon Smaug and orcs on wargs, Hi ho! Hi ho!
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Mandos
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posted 16 March 2005 03:04 AM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OK, I'm willing to concede that it may not be SO bad if the songs they put to music are the actual Tolkien epic poems that are peppered through LOTR here and there, or even epic poems from Tolkien's histories, and they are put through with the kind of music of which Tolkien might have approved, with a tasteful reenactment of the Tale of Tinuviel or something. That might go well as a musical.

But something tells me that's not what they have in mind.


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Briguy
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posted 16 March 2005 09:16 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We're off to see the wizard,
the horrible wizard of Isengard...


OK. The rhyme is there, but the rhythm ain't.


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posted 16 March 2005 10:14 AM      Profile for Tommy Shanks     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can see the that the length of the trilogy will have to be whittled down somewhat to fit in a 3hr slot.

Bilbo gets ring off Gandalf, sings about it, meets Gollum, travels across mountains with elves and Danny Devito, sings some more, has a rap contest with evil king, then throws ring into the balcony. Chorus. Curtain. Or maybe its updated to 21st century London?

I'm in the wrong profession. I should have been in Thee-atter.


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fern hill
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posted 16 March 2005 10:22 AM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by The Vicious:
It might not be bad if it was just a stage version of LOTR, but turning anything into a musical instantly converts it into pure shit.

What is it with musicals? I don't understand how anyone can sit through them.

This ayem on local CBC radio there was a woman speaking for actors and musicians in TO saying what a great thing this will be. But then there was another woman (a theatre producer, I think) who wondered whether LOTR fans would be able to come up with the ticket price for this expensive endeavour. Somehow, methinks there's not a lot of overlap in the Venn diagrams of LOTR fans and musical lovers.


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Mandos
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posted 16 March 2005 10:27 AM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I fall in the intersection, actually, but maybe not for a LOTR musical.
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posted 16 March 2005 10:59 AM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fiasco, the Musical!
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posted 16 March 2005 12:46 PM      Profile for Bobolink   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yhis whole idea was wildly parodied in the move "The Tall Guy" in which Jeff Goldblum played the title charcter in a Royal Shakespeare Company musical production of "The Elephant Man". Although the apex came with two Royal Shakespeare producers contemplating next years musical production of Richard III with its sure fire hit song "I've Got a Hunch".
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posted 16 March 2005 01:12 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah what a stupid idea. Some things just don't lend themselves to a musical interpretation. I mean could you make a musical out of something like say Les Miserables? How ridiculous would that be?
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posted 16 March 2005 02:27 PM      Profile for angrymonkey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tolkien did write a lot of songs but they weren't showtunes and he seemed to imagine them being performed like Gregorian chanting.

Hey, maybe they can use Leonard Nimoy's Bilbo song for backstory.
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Rufus Polson
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posted 16 March 2005 02:44 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Musical, huh? But these days that might not mean what we think it means. Maybe they'll give it the Bollywood treatment. I can just imagine an Aragorn of Indian extraction with an Elvis haircut doing love-triangle numbers with Arwen and Eowyn.
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posted 16 March 2005 03:51 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For your consideration:

quote:
One, two, three o'clock, four o'clock, Ring,
Five, six, seven o'clock, eight o'clock, Ring,
Nine, ten, eleven o'clock, twelve o'clock, Ring,
We're gonna rock around Middle-Earth tonight

quote:
Through the storm, Aragon reaches Pelargir
He gives it all all, but we want more
And Frodo's waiting for him

With or without It
With or without It
Middle-Earth can't live
With or without It

Frodo's hands are tied
His body bruised, he's in the Tower
Nothing to win and
Nothing left to lose


quote:
Galdriel eyes me like a pisces when I am weak
I've been locked inside her Heart-Shaped box for weeks
I was drawn into your magnet tar pit trap
I wish I could eat your lembas when you turn black

Hey!
Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt, Gandalf, to your priceless advice


and then when they sail to valinor from the grey havens, they could all sing "go west" by the pet shop boys:

quote:
(Go West) Life is peaceful there
(Go West) In the open air
(Go West) Where the skies are blue
(Go West) This is what we're gonna do

(Go West, this is what we're gonna do, Go West)



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posted 16 March 2005 05:51 PM      Profile for fuschiashock     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Musical doesn't necessarily mean show tunes. I don't know what this will be like, but I kind of envision more of an opera than a musical. Or perhaps I should say "music drama".

Anyone ever heard of Wagner's Der Ring Des Nibelungen?

I thought they already did a musical version of The Hobbit anyway.


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That was my reaction as well. You want a musical based on an epic using themes from Northern European mythology? Mount a production of Der Ring des Nibelungen. The music's already written, and it's in the public domain.
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CBC radio played Tolkien singing one of his songs and it was not at all what I had imagined reading the words as sung by Galadriel; like someone said above, it sounded more like Gregorian chant or a Jewish cantor singing or something.
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quote:
Anyone ever heard of Wagner's Der Ring Des Nibelungen?

I have heard it's 15 hours long....


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quote:
Originally posted by JimmyBrogan:
Yeah what a stupid idea. Some things just don't lend themselves to a musical interpretation. I mean could you make a musical out of something like say Les Miserables? How ridiculous would that be?

It isn't ridiculous because the novel "Les Miserables" is a melodrama. Guess what form musicals take? You got it -- MELODRAMA. One melodramatic form translates nicely into another, so far as adaptations go. That's not to say whether "Les Mis: the Musical" was any good -- I haven't seen it, and I generally dislike musicals.

LOTR, however, is not a melodrama, and I can only see it being a complete and utter disaster, as were most attempts to put it on screen. Jackson's the only one who came close, and his are still flawed in a number of areas. Still, it was passable.

The attempt to take LOTR into musical theatre is nothing but a shameless money-grab.

The best musical I've ever seen was "Sweeney Todd". It was dark, funny and a lot of gruesome fun. It worked surpisingly well, but only because it didn't take itself too seriously.


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I recently saw the extended version of LOTR on DVDs; well worth watching, many extra scenes. Did not get a chance to look at the interviews, etc., but it sounds like there are some good ones too.
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It just occurred to me: What if they decide to bring back Tom Bombadil and his long, tedious, pointless songs? Gaaaah!
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Double post; ok Oliver, cover your ears...

[ 16 March 2005: Message edited by: Contrarian ]


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quote:
Originally posted by Contrarian:
Hey Tom Bombadil, Tom Bombadillo!
By water, wood and hill; by tree and willow;
By fire, sun and moon, Hark now and hear us;
Come Tom Bombadil, for our need is near us.

Can you do something about Old Man Cromwell, Tom?



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[whimpering noises]
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quote:
Originally posted by Oliver Cromwell:
That was my reaction as well. You want a musical based on an epic using themes from Northern European mythology? Mount a production of Der Ring des Nibelungen. The music's already written, and it's in the public domain.

To quote Woody Allen's character from Manhattan Murder Mystery,

"I can't listen to that much Wagner, you know? I start to get the urge to conquer Poland."


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Not to worry, work on the lyrics is well under way ...

[To the tune of the “Jet Song” from West Side Story]

When you’re an Orc,
You’re an Orc to the death
From your first massacre
To your last stinkin’ breath.
When you’re an Orc,
You got greasy bad hair,
You eat maggoty bread,
And you learn how to swear!
You never smell fresh,
Your teeth are black and rotten
From chewing man’s-flesh
And other food ill-gotten
And best forgotten!
Don’t be bored or
Act like ethical sheep,
‘Cause you work for Mordor
And that means you’re a creep.
When you’re an Orc,
You stay
An Orc!


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The song "Rivers of Babylon" now is the "Pool of Galadriel".

I hate myself. Oh so much.


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quote:
The music is being written by A.R. Rahman, the Bollywood film composer who scored a hit in London with the stage musical "Bombay Dreams." He is working in conjunction with the Finnish group Varttina.


If anyone's curious , for A.R. Rahman samples go here and pick a movie

For Varttina
pick a recording


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