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Michelle
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posted 21 July 2007 05:01 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Breaking news now. I watched her interview a couple of nights ago on Larry King, and she sure didn't look like she was going to go on much longer. It was shocking, how she looked.

She's amazing because she was one of the very few televangelists who embraced gay people at the height of a huge religious campaign against homosexuality, and she had people with AIDS on her show at a time when other televangelists were calling AIDS God's punishment for homosexuality, and Reagan wouldn't even say the word out loud in public.


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posted 21 July 2007 05:05 PM      Profile for The Wizard of Socialism   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I couldn't watch the interview in it's entirety. It was just so sad to see her look like that. I'm one of the guys who dissed her back in the Jim Bakker days, but I was really impressed how she maintained her dignity right up to the end. Rest in peace.
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remind
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posted 21 July 2007 05:44 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Awww, watched her interview and knew it would be a matter of days, rest in peace Tammy Faye.
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Michelle
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posted 22 July 2007 06:29 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An interesting article about the downfall of PTL, for those who, like me, didn't follow it that carefully at the time. Outlines the feud between Falwell and Bakker.
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Sven
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posted 22 July 2007 07:18 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
She's amazing because she was one of the very few televangelists who embraced gay people at the height of a huge religious campaign against homosexuality, and she had people with AIDS on her show at a time when other televangelists were calling AIDS God's punishment for homosexuality, and Reagan wouldn't even say the word out loud in public.

I didn't know that until the last few days. That says something very decent about her. I had just assumed that most televangelists were pretty much homophobic.

RIP.


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posted 22 July 2007 11:41 AM      Profile for Banned_from_FD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It says something about her that in her last few hours she decides to do a live TV interview.

I could not watch that interview for more than a few minutes, she was hard to look at. I have seen people die of cancer, its never entertaining.

Despite all her "weirdness" and stuff ..


RIP


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posted 22 July 2007 06:39 PM      Profile for aka Mycroft     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In the 1970s and 80s the Bakkers were proponents of "prosperity theology" that emphasized conspicous consumption argued that God rewarded the faithful by making them wealthy and there was nothing wrong with being rich. This was the root of PTL's problems and what led to the massive fraud that, with Jessica Hahn, brought down the Bakkers. They weren't alone in this "greed is good" theology, many American televangelists promote it (Pat Robertson for instance) or use it to justify their opulance.

To their credit, Jim Bakker learned from his prison experience. It was in jail that he actually read the Bible in its entirety for the first time (!) and realized that the verses he had used to rationalize greed were taken out of context. Since coming out of jail he has worked in inner cities and embraced the poor and (seems to have) eschewed conspicuous consumption. Bakker's son preaches to street kids and preaches inclusion of gays and marginalized populations - he even favours gay marriage and Tammy Fay became a liberal supporter of gay rights.

Now, of course, religions missions to the poor, to my mind, distract struggling communities from organizing to do something to actually address the causes of poverty but the Bakkers of the 21st century are nevertheless light years from where they were in the 80s and are far more honourable and worthy of respect, in my mind, then the Falwells, Robertsons and other right wing televangelists who are so influential in many parts of the US.

I detested Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker in the 1980s but I have some respect for them today.

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Michelle
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posted 23 July 2007 03:25 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's interesting about Jim Bakker. I didn't know that he ended up that way (renouncing his faith in money). I knew their son was doing an interesting ministry, though.

And while I knew that Tammy Faye and her son were gay-friendly, I didn't know they went as far as to support gay marriage. I thought it was more of a love-the-sinner-not-the-sin sort of thing. Isn't that awesome. I wonder if Jim Bakker shares their views.

Here's Jay Bakker:

[ 23 July 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 23 July 2007 11:07 AM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't Jim Bakker gay himself?

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Bakker's son preaches to street kids and preaches inclusion of gays and marginalized populations - he even favours gay marriage and Tammy Fay became a liberal supporter of gay rights.

[ 23 July 2007: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]


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