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Gir Draxon
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posted 08 May 2003 11:19 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I decide to go to grad. I go choose a tuxedo and shoes.

Time elapsed: 1 hour, 30 minutes

Cost: $79 for shoes to keep, $140 for Tuxedo rental.

Now, from what I've seen among the female crowd, I'd have to say that men get off real easy when it comes to grad.


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posted 08 May 2003 11:27 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You are probably right. How many times will we wear a wedding dress?
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posted 08 May 2003 11:34 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heh. Or in my case, TWO wedding dresses (one never worn).
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posted 08 May 2003 11:44 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, and unless your shoes are VERY formal, you can use them for job applications, attending weddings and similar events, etc.

I've never been legally married (common in Québec) and if I should ever do so, no white dress. A pretty dress I can wear on other dressy occasions (can't stand white anyway).


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posted 08 May 2003 11:59 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
How many times will we wear a wedding dress?

I dunno, when we got married the Divine Ms M found a dressmaker who worked out of her home a half-block away. M bought material for around $140, and the woman made her an amazing dress -- in two parts, a white under-dress and a red velvet coat -- for $220 (!). The dress is eminently wearable on other formal occasions.

So is my wedding suit, mind you, and in fact I have worn it since. But I bought it off-the-rack from Eaton's for something over $400, and had to have it altered, at that.

I grant you, this isn't the way weddings usually work. But then our wedding was atypical in many ways. Which we preferred.


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posted 09 May 2003 12:00 AM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm lucky I never have 'dressy' occasions.
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posted 09 May 2003 02:33 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is why being male is better. No game controller needed.
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posted 09 May 2003 11:40 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I've never been legally married (common in Québec) and if I should ever do so, no white dress.

Strangely enough, my first wedding dress was more of a formal suit-dress type of thing. Two-piece, formal "jacket" with long, flowing skirt. It was off-white because white doesn't look great on me.

It was my second dress, the one I actually got married in, that was the whole Cinderella affair, beaded bodice, bows, full skirt, full veil, everything. I'm still glad I did it that way - it's kind of fun to look back at the pictures of myself dressed up like that. Maybe I should have marched down the aisle to "Like a Virgin". Ha!

Anyhow, I've never had the chance to wear the first wedding dress again - it's really not appropriate for anything, and it's about 8-10 years out of style. The only thing I could wear it for would be - well, a wedding. My own, that is. Maybe by the time the dress comes back in style again I'll have gotten over my mortal dread of marriage.


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posted 09 May 2003 11:45 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, if I ever do tie the knot (the only reason I'd do so would be immigration/emigration, if it is with someone of a different citizenship) I'll send you a picture of my RED dress!

However, I doubt I could train Renzo to act as a ring-bearer, although he'd be awfully cute in his black suit.


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posted 09 May 2003 12:04 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Egads! The dresses I've worn!

Grad dress -- white, off the shoulder, ruffles all down the back and a 'do like Scarlet O'Hara on 'roids (it was 1984, so big big big hair)... I didn't like the dress, but my mother insisted I had to have one and that she was going to buy it for me. My parents' business had gone down the tubes that year, my father had been very ill (we nearly lost him at Christmas) and I was contributing to the household from my part time job. But I knew it was important to her, so I went for the cheapest one.

My first wedding was the giant confectionary wedding gown. Many, many yards of crystal organza, beading, appliques, frothing with frouf and flouf... I look at the pictures now and think "My gawd, look at that enourmous dress carrying that small woman down the street!" People my size (and I was even smaller then) should never wear that kind of dress. Ever. Never wore the shoes again (white satin pumps), either.

My second wedding was much more sensible. I found a plain, white sheath dress with a slit, off the shoulder and with a little detail on the sleeve. Paid $100 for it. Found a small, simple head piece for cheap that went with it nicely. Got strappy sandal shoes that I've worn lots of times. I think I looked great.

In between these events, though, I've worn lots of party dresses, evening-type gowns. I like them. Red velvet, blue satin, black lace, Thai silk, sequins, you name it. I think I have a black spandex strapless in the back of a closet somewhere... And I never pay more than about $40, that's the rule. Always bought on discount. Then, when I have a fancy event to go to, all I have to do is rifle through the closet to come up with something cool.

[ 09 May 2003: Message edited by: Zoot Capri ]


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posted 09 May 2003 12:17 PM      Profile for kuba walda        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What were they thinking ---

http://www.uglydress.com/


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posted 09 May 2003 12:34 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's hilarious, kuba!

I should send in a picture of the one and only bridesmaid's dress I've ever had the misfortune to wear.

I was working out of town, home a day a week, all summer. The bride assured me it would be emerald green, strapless, but they had to go shopping on a day I wasn't going to be around. This I could live with. I got to town to find that the rest of the wedding party had rebelled. What I was stuck with paying for was teal lace over satin, lace up to the neck, tight skirt with a lacy little peplum over-skirt (you know, the sort of short fake skirt over the long narrow skirt like they wore on Dynasty a lot? Very Joan Collins...) and a bow three times the width of my ass...

Not only that, but the guy argued with me about size ordering and got in a dress that was literally 4 inches too big in the hips and then they promptly went out of business so I couldn't make them re-order in the proper size. I then got to pay to have the fucker cut down to my size. On top of the original $250 bucks for the dress. Damn thing, including shoes dyed to match (which dyed my feet teal for a week and a half), cost me $400, which, as a full time student, I could ill afford. Oh, yeah, and the little beaded head thing with the teal flouf out the back... Try not looking like a moron with something like that on your head...

I will never again do bridesmaid duty unless I can pick out my own clothes...


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posted 09 May 2003 01:10 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Teal, eh? Sea-foam was my downfall.
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posted 09 May 2003 01:19 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, my. That IS awful.

Does anybody really look good in sea foam? Or teal, for that matter...


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posted 09 May 2003 01:29 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In general, men have escaped the worst horrors of fashion madness (and the weird subcategory of wedding, bridesmaid and other "occasion" clothes). Leisure suits were pretty bad though.

I suppose that conversely it is harder for men , at least straight men, and those outside "artistic" milieux, to express themselves in different colours and styles.


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posted 09 May 2003 01:39 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Does anybody really look good in sea foam? Or teal, for that matter...

Hence that MasterCard commercial from a while back... "Bridesmaid's dress in sea-foam, $300... shoes dyed in sea-foam, $100... having a friend worth wearing sea-foam for, priceless." Maudlin yes, but made the point.

At the same time I'm wondering if there hasn't been a sort of quiet backlash on the part of bridesmaids everywhere. I used to see lots of wedding parties in Vancouver, and in the last few years it began to occur to me that bridesmaids' dresses were looking seriously good.

Either that, or those were the only sorts of weddings I paid the slightest attention to...


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posted 09 May 2003 01:41 PM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wanna bring back the top hat. I have a suspicion it only went out because of it's robber baron association. I think a nice graffiti style tag, on the side, worn on a slant, matched with some ultra baggy cargos and a few strolls downtown and in a year or two it'll be the new thing.

edited: hell, I'll bring back the cane, too...

[ 09 May 2003: Message edited by: clockwork ]


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posted 09 May 2003 01:42 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Worst bridesmaids dresses I ever saw: strapless burgundy crushed velvet, with some kind of pink netting going up diagonally over one shoulder -- oh, I felt so sorry for those women. I'm sure every woman in the congregation was looking at them and thinking, You poor dears ...

I graduated from grade 9 (end of jr high in Alberta) in the spring of 1960. I had such a neat dress, actually. It was pale green, with a lace overlay, yes -- but there was this chiffon thingy draped around the neck and caught into a long trailing tail at the back. Very Doris Day, Connie Stevens. I think it cost about twenty bucks. I wish I had it now.


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posted 09 May 2003 01:46 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by clockwork:
I wanna bring back the top hat. I have a suspicion it only went out because of it's robber baron association. I think a nice graffiti style tag, on the side, worn on a slant, matched with some ultra baggy cargos and a few strolls downtown and in a year or two it'll be the new thing.

edited: hell, I'll bring back the cane, too...


More bizarre things have been known to happen, clock. It just might work.


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posted 09 May 2003 01:55 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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In general, men have escaped the worst horrors of fashion madness (and the weird subcategory of wedding, bridesmaid and other "occasion" clothes).

Oh, I don't know about that. My date for grad wore a white linen suit (think Mr Rourke from Fantasy Island), a pink tuxedo shirt and a bow tie.

My ex also had leather pants, which he thought were very funky. Not!

The blond guy also has strong opinions on the stupidity of the male "uniform", especially the necktie. He hates neckties with a level of ferocity that I think is a little extreme... But we all have a thing about something. For me, it's pantyhose.


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posted 09 May 2003 02:03 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Even opaque tights? I do wear those in the winter - it is really too cold to go bare-legged here for much of the year. They have improved a lot since I was young because they contain lycra and don't necessarily bag at the knees after a few wearings.

I hate pantyhose because they are designed to get runs after a wearing or two. I can remember stockings and garter belts. And some of the pubescent girls insisted on wearing girdles they didn't need because they were "grown-up". But at least one didn't have to discard both legs because of a run in one.

And they can still be fun for certain intimate occasions...


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posted 09 May 2003 02:07 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
My date for grad wore a white linen suit (think Mr Rourke from Fantasy Island), a pink tuxedo shirt and a bow tie.

A white
Sport coat
And a piinnnnk
Carnation
I'm all dressed up
For the daaaaannnnce.

Girdles. Panty-girdles! Wherever they ended, the parts they had squeezed down above came bulging out below.

Sort of like wearing armour, they were. That had its upside, of course.


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posted 09 May 2003 02:08 PM      Profile for glennB     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I suppose that conversely it is harder for men , at least straight men, and those outside "artistic" milieux, to express themselves in different colours and styles.

I learned while I was on internship in Paris how stuck up we N.Americans are. No style whatsoever. Within weeks, being male, I felt so out of style. I was wearing jeans/khakis and sport shirts. I had to get a whole new stylish wardrobe.

Even the janitors there were wearing cuff-links!

When they do wear jeans and t-shirts in Europe they do it with a lot more style. So, nope, men in Europe don't have it easier. But they all seem to want to dress better - it doesn't seem that anyone is making them do it.

Maybe it means it is all taken up a notch for women in Europe too (?)


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posted 09 May 2003 02:11 PM      Profile for glennB     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wait, being male is better for another reason:

NO MONTHLY VISITOR

I don't know how you ladies deal with it. Fluctuating hormone levels and all. Just read that professional women singer's voices will fluctuate with the cycle.

All I know is I couldn't do it!


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posted 09 May 2003 02:14 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, not everybody in Europe is so dashing or fashionable. The main difference is that people tend to avoid some of the worst horrors of taste found in certain parts of North America - loud, garish colours, white trainers in town, plaid or pastel shorts in the city centre, that sort of thing.

I have never seen a janitor wearing cufflinks on the job over there. How could he, with work clothes?

Ah, girdles. Leah McLaren thinks they are neat and post-modern...


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posted 09 May 2003 02:21 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Even opaque tights? I do wear those in the winter - it is really too cold to go bare-legged here for much of the year.

Yes, but only if it's really cold. I despise actual nylons... Even tights are often made too short in the leg for gangly-built people like me. Crotch at the knees! Ugh! Like being hobbled. And the few brands that make a "small tall" size are expensive.

I used stockings for a while when I still worked at an office with a dress code. I didn't like them much, either.


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posted 09 May 2003 02:29 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Funny, I never thought of you as being gangly, Zoot. You always describe yourself as "small" which to a careful writer like you would seem to refer to someone who is both slender and short.

Funny how even with lycra, they still don't fit most people properly. Marks and Spencers made tights that fit me really well, and they had a wide range of sizes, but they aren't available in Canada any more.

Neither are their great bras . Ah, the vagaries of the global market!


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posted 09 May 2003 02:44 PM      Profile for kuba walda        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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In general, men have escaped the worst horrors of fashion madness (and the weird subcategory of wedding, bridesmaid and other "occasion" clothes).

I'm not so sure of that either. I have a picture of my partner from b.k. (before kiba) He was best man for his brother. Chocolate brown suit, bright orange shirt with floofffy sleeves (Donny Osmond style) and a ruffle down the front. I'm always threatening to have it published somewhere.

Top hat NAH ..... I want one just like Frank Sinatra used to wear.


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posted 09 May 2003 02:52 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I'm not so sure of that either. I have a picture of my partner from b.k. (before kiba) He was best man for his brother. Chocolate brown suit, bright orange shirt with floofffy sleeves (Donny Osmond style) and a ruffle down the front. I'm always threatening to have it published somewhere.

Once in a while, Esquire magazine (yeah yeah, don't look at me like that) runs a little sidebar thing called "Esquire Regrets: A Look Back at our Occasional Lapses in Judgement." A shot of some absurd bit of men's fashion that made it into the magazine at some point, together with a little commentary on same. Almost invariably, these are from the years between about 1966 and 1974.


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posted 09 May 2003 02:58 PM      Profile for kuba walda        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Close - the wedding was in 1977. But I think it has more to do with my sister-in-law. She's a fashion dyslexic. For her daughter's wedding she wore this bright red dress with a big bow on her ass. She kind of took up all the wedding pictures.
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posted 09 May 2003 03:04 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Funny, I never thought of you as being gangly, Zoot. You always describe yourself as "small" which to a careful writer like you would seem to refer to someone who is both slender and short.

Well, I'm small circumferentially... I just have very long arms and legs. I'm 5'6" tall (which still isn't exactly huge), but if I were proportionate, I'd be 5'2" instead. I'm bigger now than I used to be, I wore a size 2, bb (before babies). So I've always considered myself small with a tall build.


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posted 09 May 2003 03:26 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lucky thing. You aren't small (or particularly tall) you are slim .
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posted 09 May 2003 04:06 PM      Profile for Rebecca West     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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My ex also had leather pants, which he thought were very funky. Not!
Oh, I don't know. On a hot summer day, those pants can get rather whiff...

I've never been formally married either, and have no plans to do so. But if I did, I'd wear black leather with outrageously high heels. That way, I'd be sure to get lots of wear out of them after.


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posted 09 May 2003 04:25 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rebecca West, you are an abandoned critchur! (And good for you, too.)

I don't know why, but when I got married, I felt driven to have a forest-green suede mini-skirt made for me on Spadina Avenue. Don't ask me why. I think it was sort of like the odd cravings of pregnant women. I was so fixed on that skirt -- and it is a lovely colour. I still wear it with lots of things. That day I wore it with a cream cotton blouse with a fold-over tie of its own. Fang gave me a gold tie-pin to fasten down the tie. It was not a bad outfit, all things considered.


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posted 09 May 2003 04:37 PM      Profile for Rebecca West     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's all Tommy_Paine's fault. He's a baaaaaaad influence.

Forest green suede ... sounds very groovy.


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posted 09 May 2003 04:40 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why being male is better? To pee standing up and writing their name in the snow.

[ 09 May 2003: Message edited by: clersal ]


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posted 09 May 2003 04:57 PM      Profile for Kindred     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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In general, men have escaped the worst horrors of fashion madness
Nheru (sp?)jackets? baby blue tuxes, lounge lizard suits, thank god elvis jump suits never caught on - duck tails? baggy pants that are ten sizes too big and hang down below their ass - hockey jerseys - baseball caps worn backwards, wallets on chains, pink arnold palmer shirts, white shoes with matching white belts, usually worn with baby blue fortel pants - would you buy a car from this man?

Loud plaid sports jackets, logo t shirts that say "I am only here for the beer", and "sex machine" - men without shirts that need a tiple E cup bra as much as they need a shirt - oughta be a law against it -

Baggy sweat pants ! has there ever been a worse fashion faux pas?

Plaid pants ! even better when worn with a shiny white belt -- sports socks, white, worn with black pants - faux military gear - caps with ear flaps - preferably wool plaid - ski do boots worn for general dress -

Frilly shirts, how about the Tom Jones shirt? Can anyone remember that far back?

Lets not forget wannabe cowboys, with shiny snake skin boots that have never seen anything other than pavement, and plaid shirts with snap buttons and fancy embroidery -

Head bands and beads.. bell bottoms .. caftans! for men as well as women -- now there was a real gem in the fashion world -

Men are not innocent when it comes to fashion nightmares ! My exe got himself decked out in white bell bottoms and a polka dot shirt once, thankfully before I met him, but I have seen the photos --


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Why being female is better - multiple orgasms - beats the hell outta writing your name in the snow everytime
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posted 09 May 2003 05:01 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How true.
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kuba walda
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Head bands

Alway remind me of Lillian Van Der Zalm doing her Olivia Newton John impersonation.


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I don't know why, but when I got married, I felt driven to have a forest-green suede mini-skirt made for me on Spadina Avenue.

That sounds like a lovely thing for a wedding, skdadl.

quote:
I've never been formally married either, and have no plans to do so. But if I did, I'd wear black leather with outrageously high heels. That way, I'd be sure to get lots of wear out of them after.

I have the feeling you would be a one of a kind bride, RW.

I also like to buy vintage evening gowns... I like them because nobody is likely to turn up in the same dress you're wearing.


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posted 09 May 2003 08:01 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by glennB:
Wait, being male is better for another reason:

NO MONTHLY VISITOR

I don't know how you ladies deal with it. Fluctuating hormone levels and all. Just read that professional women singer's voices will fluctuate with the cycle.

All I know is I couldn't do it!


Actually, men do have some hormonal fluctuations from month to month. Theyre just not nearly as severe.

I'm just glad that my graduation is not a $700 affair.


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meades
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posted 10 May 2003 06:37 AM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmmm... Discussion seems to have strayed a bit... I'm moving this to Pop Culture.

And for the record, my stance on modern boy/mens styles, such as the shorts that stretch to the shin: blugh. They shall be remembered as those godawful trunks that we were glad to leave behind in the 2000's.

[ 10 May 2003: Message edited by: meades ]


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posted 10 May 2003 08:19 AM      Profile for glennB     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Kindred:

quote:
Nheru (sp?)jackets?

I don't get the criticism here (?). Nehru Jackets rock! Especially if it's the whole suit. The bastard Austin Powers character has really ruined them (damn you Mike Myers!), but in the S.Asian world it looks incredibly sharp. Especially at a formal event.

I wish I had one or two.

Have a look at this page & let me know what you think (granted, some of the colors may be country/culture sensitive).

Nehru Suit

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posted 10 May 2003 08:43 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh my, where to start? I guess I've been lucky - I've never been a bridesmaid, so I've never had to buy any horror dresses. I guess I'm the opposite of the "always a bridesmaid, never a bride" thing.

I'm not sure what I'd wear if I did it again. Depends on the guy I'm marrying, I think. Although I tend to think that if I were ever crazy enough to take the leap again, I'd just go off and elope. Red dress sounds pretty cool.

As for guys being prone to fashion faux pas, that reminds me. Yesterday I was driving in Toronto, soon to come back to Kingston for the weekend. And right around Yonge and Sheppard, I was waiting at the light when this one fellow crossed the street in front of me. He was wearing normal dress pants, and his shirt was a normal short-sleeved dress-shirt cut - but the colours! Vertical stripes in the normal men's shirt style, but the stripes were bright pink, green, blue, yellow, etc. He looked strangely conservative even so. I smiled and thought to myself, "I can respect that. That takes courage to carry off and he DOES carry it off."


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posted 10 May 2003 11:32 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm surprised that all you normally very wise women entirely miss the point about Bridesmaid's dresses.

They are not intended to make Bridesmaid's look good.

They are intended to make the Bride look good.

And why not? It's the Bride's day, let her have it.

As a man who went through the traditional wedding, and as a person who briefly worked in the wedding industry, the only way it all works is if everyone surrenders to the idea that this is the BRIDE'S DAY.

Most of the time the greatest obsticle to this is the Mother of the Bride; and this is the job of the Maid of Honour; to side track, confuse, to render ineffective by any means necessary (I recommend keeping a gurney and padded medical restraints on hand) attempts by Mother's of the Bride to steal the day from her daughter.

It was the wedding industry that taught me very early in life that a career working with the public was not for me.


As far as men's fashion goes, I'm pretty oblivious. I really have little sense on what looks good on men in general, and me in particular.

I feel ill at ease in a suit, and like Zoot's husband, hate ties; although I have such a nack for the Windsor knot, I've helped my equally at sea working class neighbours tie theirs in emergencies.

I've recently taken to wearing more colourful summer shirts. I have teal one, and a dusty rose one, and a burgandy one.

Rebecca gave me a white T-Shirt, and I looked at it. White. It's bright. People might stare.

I can wear dusty rose shirts, because I am secure in my machismo. Finally, at age 43.

As far as leather goes, I love my leather car coat, and the leather driving gloves Rebecca bought me. I'd like to maybe have a burgandy leather shirt if I can ever afford it, and find one supple enough to be comfortable.

I'm not sure about leather pants. I'm of the opinion that on guys my age they look.....I dunno, a bit creepy, --ike Moses Znaimer's oily pony tail.

But, I don't care about dressing for myself or others. Just one other.

[ 10 May 2003: Message edited by: Tommy_Paine ]


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Timebandit
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posted 10 May 2003 11:58 AM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Wait, being male is better for another reason:
NO MONTHLY VISITOR

I don't know how you ladies deal with it. Fluctuating hormone levels and all. Just read that professional women singer's voices will fluctuate with the cycle.

All I know is I couldn't do it!


Well, I figure it's better than every third thought being "penis"... (and you guys know you think about that appendage awfully frequently, even the nice, sweet, lovable guys) That would seriously slow me down some.

Anyway, men have fluctuating hormones, too -- and I don't buy that women's are any more or less in the fluctuation dept. Men just don't have an outwardly noticeable indicator of the stage they're at in their cycle.


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posted 10 May 2003 12:09 PM      Profile for glennB     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's gotta be someone on the board with some medical / physiological knowledge. What's the word on male hormone fluctuation. Does it exist, what are its effects?

Is it like after a particularly aggressive game of hockey, my testosterone is through the roof? So I'll have more strength, anger, and grow a week's beard in a day?

I am curious about this one?


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posted 10 May 2003 12:20 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Based purely on the empirical evidence collected by myself and other women, I believe there is a condition called TID -- Testosterone Impairment Disorder. A sad affliction where the sufferer is unable to find his own socks, and is rendered incapable of simple cause-and-effect reasoning (eg: Why are all the whites pink? I only left one red thing in with them...) They also become oblivious to schedules including anyone besides themselves. Most men suffer from this syndrome.

Now, I'm chalking it up to hormones because I really don't want to believe men are like this on purpose...


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posted 10 May 2003 12:21 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Um. I'm not sure we're thinking of our penis', as such. It may seem our penis' are doing a good part of our thinking, but, in the heterosexual world at least, penis' don't enter into our thinking that much.

Now, thinking about sex, that different. There's thinking about sex and thinking about sex you know. It's always there, like the low rumble of idlling Harley Davidson engine, but it's not always red lining.

For example a woman dressed a particular way I might notice in passing, and it relates to sex, but it doesn't mean I get a raging hard on, and sit there thinking "OOOOOO I'd like to boff her!"

Mostly, with me anyway, a lot of my 'sexual' thinking these days is more akin to admiration of an aesthetic. I like women. I like they way they look, I like the way they think, I like the sound of their voices, I like their eyes, I like thier hair.... sure, because I'm a guy, I suppose it all goes back to "sex", but it's not...I dunno, always SEX!!!!!!.


I hope I clarified that for you.


I'm not sure about male hormonal physiology, I'm just aware that at different times I have different reactions.

Going a long time between orgasms seems to make me edgy, irritable, and prone to posting about sex on message boards. The curious thing though, is that it's not entirely relivable through masturbation. Something happens during sex with another person, some release either chemically or psychologically that does not happen otherwise.

Libido seems to fluctuate, but I don't know if that happens due to an internal cycle, or a reaction to diet, or some other external stimulii.

Probably a mix.

We are in youth issues. I remember being in my youth. Something is surely going on there because I was constantly "red lining"-- from morning to night and in my dreams.

Looking back, I don't know how I got through it.

[ 10 May 2003: Message edited by: Tommy_Paine ]


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posted 10 May 2003 12:24 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tommy, I'm joking. Okay? Just a joke. And really, I'm not thinking that men always think about sex... I really think that, in some deep, subconscious way, every third thought is related to the penis but not necessarily as coherent as "I'd like to boff her..." Just phallocentric, that's all.
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posted 10 May 2003 12:33 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know you're joking, and I'm approaching it with levity, too.


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Trisha
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posted 10 May 2003 03:45 PM      Profile for Trisha     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read somewhere that men think about sex on an average of once every 15 seconds. I guess it's not a bad thing as long as they don't let it interrupt what they're doing.
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posted 10 May 2003 06:45 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think men should be excluded from high-risk or important occupations, especially when safety or livelihood of others is at stake. I mean, can you imagine, as the Finance Minister is delivering his budget, every 15 seconds he is thinking about sex! And what about those nuclear safety technicians...uhh, I won't go there. And voting! As the man stands in the polling booth, there is a high probability he is voting while thinking about sex!


Clearly all these things should be left in the hands of women, who, of course, never think about sex at all, no sirree. What a safe, happy world we would have then. Men can enter low-risk professions, like breeding farms for instance.



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Gir Draxon
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posted 11 May 2003 03:14 AM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mandos:
I think men should be excluded from high-risk or important occupations, especially when safety or livelihood of others is at stake. I mean, can you imagine, as the Finance Minister is delivering his budget, every 15 seconds he is thinking about sex! And what about those nuclear safety technicians...uhh, I won't go there. And voting! As the man stands in the polling booth, there is a high probability he is voting while thinking about sex!


Clearly all these things should be left in the hands of women, who, of course, never think about sex at all, no sirree. What a safe, happy world we would have then. Men can enter low-risk professions, like breeding farms for instance.



So let me get this straight: the women essentially do all the work and we live on farms and are not expected to do anything but have sex.

I've never thought of it this way, but I could definately see the advantages


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posted 26 May 2003 12:50 PM      Profile for Newbie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is better to be male because males, regardless of sexual orientation, don't have to couple with straight men.
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posted 26 May 2003 07:07 PM      Profile for April Follies   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Currently in the middle of one of those monthly reminders of the drawbacks of being female, I can console myself thusly:

I will never, ever, on any occasion whatsoever, have to wear a tie. Ever. Nyah!

On the whole, I at least find that quite heartening.


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posted 26 May 2003 07:33 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, the secret to wearing a comfortable tie is in choosing the right shirt to wear with it.

It's not the tie that's uncomfortable so much, it's the top button being done up on the shirt. A collar that's a half size or full size too big makes a huge difference. But if you go too big it doesn't look right, unless you are going for that 'working class guy who looks uncomfortable dressed up' look, which I've mastered.

Mastering that look isn't a matter of clothing, either. Attaining the state of quiet unease through imagining yourself to be Nick Nolte at an AA meeting helps, I've found.


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posted 15 June 2003 03:03 AM      Profile for AdvoCat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm glad I'm not a man so I don't have to tie a noose around my neck before I head to work.
"Why being male is better"
-Also see,
"why futility is fun"

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