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Agent 204
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posted 01 October 2004 06:26 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry to post a tawdry celebrity story, but for some reason her account of this made me laugh:

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In answer to a question about when the last time was she "had to smack a bitch down," Lavigne responds this way:

"In a bar a few months ago. Some chick came up to me and got in my face and said something, so I kicked her in the box and shoved her. I don't go looking for fights, but if someone comes up to me and pushes me, I'm not going to take it."



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posted 01 October 2004 06:36 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I kind of like her. Her music I can take or leave. But I like her bitchiness. None of this Britney Spears please-everyone shit.
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posted 01 October 2004 06:38 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think I've heard the word "box" in this context since I was about 16.
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I kind of like her. Her music I can take or leave. But I like her bitchiness. None of this Britney Spears please-everyone shit.

Hmm. Carefully constructed "rebel-bitch" personae or carefully constructed "virgin/whore" personae. So many choices....


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Avril's still a significant improvement over Britney. Britney's fans will grow up to be Celine Dion fans, whereas Avril's fans are a lot more likely to get into music that's actually cool.
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quote:
Britney's fans will grow up to be Celine Dion fans...

Maybe -- but I bet you a fair number of her fans (most of whom are or were very young) will end up embarrassed by their early enthusiasm, and get into music that's actually cool.


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I like Avril she's one of my guilty pleasures

And compare this to Brittney (hit me) Spears

quote:

Don't think that your charm and the fact that your arm is now around my neck
Will get you in my pants I'll have to kick your ass and make you never forget
I'm gonna ask you to stop, thought I liked you a lot, but I'm really upset
Get out of my head get off of my bed yeah thats what I said
Did I not tell you that I'm not like that girl, the one who, throws it all away


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I don't really care for either of them; sometimes Avril comes across as a little holier-than-thou..
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I like her she's cool. And unlike Britney or Jessica Simpson who think "we should support our president", Avril basically said he's an idiot. *swoon*
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i like jessica simpson AND avril. jessica for when i'm feeling in-love and sexy...avril for when i feel angry or rebellious.
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quote:
Originally posted by Debra:
I like Avril she's one of my guilty pleasures

Mine too, though I think in a different way. Yeah I know her image is at very least somewhat manufactured, but I still think she's so hot.

I think she might be my favorite celebrity crush now, since Ashlee Simpson went blonde. She looked AMAZING when her hair was jet black, but now she just looks so bland. *sigh*

Well anyways, back to Avril's "attitude", I certainly like it better than the pop-princess crap we get from Britney, Christina, etc. but if it becomes too much of a makreting gimmick, it'll lose it's appeal really fast. I like real punks, not blind conformists who dress like Avril 'cause she is the flavour of the month.


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She had more to say in this interview- apparently the target of her unorthodox "kick boxing" had accused her of "ruining punk rock". I seem to have seen another article earlier today where she said denied that she ever called herself punk. Not knowing any better, I'm willing to take her word on that. Of course, the industry had to call her something, so they called her "punk-pop".

And yeah, I kind of like her too. Mostly for her attitude, but she's not a bad pop singer either, though her delivery has an affected quality that can get on one's nerves (especially in "Sk8er Boi").

[ 01 October 2004: Message edited by: Mike Keenan ]


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I can't believe they said 'box' on CBC!

Punk is a state of mind. Her music is bland yet catchy, but she is more punk than most everyone else on the current popular music scene.


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We could do better than Avril Lavigne. What she is, really is just Shania Twain with more guitars.
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posted 04 October 2004 10:23 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Hmm. Carefully constructed "rebel-bitch" personae or carefully constructed "virgin/whore" personae. So many choices....

Spot on. The thread may as well be about one's favourite marketing campaign or television commercial.

At the very least I think we need to stop giving the credit for "Avril" to Avril. Props to her managers, handlers and agents. Well done gentlemen! You've created a fine, outspoken poonk-type alterno-rocker who should help you sew up that elusive 12-17 year old counterculture demographic. And the best part is they won't even know they're being played! They'll think that they're playing you.


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posted 04 October 2004 10:41 AM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, the difference beteween Brit and Avril are so vast.

Brit claimed to be a virgin and Avril is singing about keeping guys out of her pants. Similar themes all things considered. It's all about saying no, not about owning their sexuality, but just saying no.

And according to Avril she not "that kind of girl", I guess she means the slutty ones that put out. It certainly comes acroos that she's the suprior one for not putting out. Personally, I think Avril can go fuck herself for all I care about her opinion on the sex lives of other young girls.


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I vote we don't allow anyone to be a pop star until they're thirty.

[ 04 October 2004: Message edited by: Screaming Lord Byron ]


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posted 04 October 2004 12:21 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But... but then how could we trust them, SLB?
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The new "with it" maxim is "Ignore everyone under 30". Learn it, love it, live it.

...and yes, I'm turning into a crusty old fart as we speak.


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posted 04 October 2004 12:32 PM      Profile for A Nonny Moose   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, the proper age of majority should be just like Hobbiton (33). Of course, we don't live as long as Hobbits, or maybe some do.

Did you see the pix of Sofia Loren at the last TIFF?


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quote:
Originally posted by 'lance:
But... but then how could we trust them, SLB?

A cunning part of my plan thus rendering all popstars impotent. Hooray!


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quote:
Originally posted by Gir Draxon:

Mine too, though I think in a different way. Yeah I know her image is at very least somewhat manufactured, but I still think she's so hot.

I think she might be my favorite celebrity crush now, since Ashlee Simpson went blonde. She looked AMAZING when her hair was jet black, but now she just looks so bland. *sigh*


Wow, I'm so ignorant when it comes to pop culture. I just found out that she was blonde, and that she dyed it black more recently.


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Pssh. She ain't no Joan Jett.

You want to listen to girls who actually DO rock instead of the corporate pawn Avril? Listen to The Soviettes.


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I love Jessica Simpson - not her politics for sure but her music and her lifestyle.

Avril Lavigne is not someone I'm a HUGE fan of but I do like her music. If she stopped doing music tomorrow it wouldn't be a huge loss but I do like it. I find that article extremely troublesome though. What a way to present to the world! Geez. If I had a son I'd not let him read maxim if that was what he'd be exposed to.


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Corporate pawn?

Pssssh w/e she's hot -- and somewhat talented.


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Vansterdam Kid, God of Irony.
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Vansterdam Kid is Alanis? Heh. Who knew?
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You oughta know!
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I don't see what Avril's supposed hotness has to do with her music. Frankly, I think she looks like your average suburban mall-rat, (which is, I suppose, what she is.), but her music is just appalling. Take her latest one-whatzit called? "Happy Ending". I saw it on Much and, after realizing it was not about a dodgy massage parlour mishap, came to the conclusion that it could just as easily be a Nickleback (same quiet/loud dynamics, same cheeseball musicianship) or Chantal Krevwassirname (piano noodling and crappy Grade 10 English lyrical sentiment) number. In short, utterly generic Can-rock.

There's a new Stars album out this week: I suggest folks buy it and listen to good Canadian music.

As for guilty pleasures, nothing beats Brit-Brit's "Toxic". Superfantastiche.


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Have I gone mad, or is Britney now covering 'My Perogative?'
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I'm with you BD on Toxic, it's my guilty please between Body Count and some Matt Good.

And yes, brit is covering My Perogative, I think she even has her hubby in the video.


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Let me guess. She isn't wearing much in the video, is she?
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I like the fact that she wears a tie. I have a friend who has started wearing ties as belts. It is good to see them being used for other purposes than what they were intended for - office conformity.
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Yeah. How original. It's not like people weren't doing it 25 years ago when it still meant something, is it?
The tie is purely a visual reference to punk, a clean reference that does not involve anything properly provocative, like Swastikas or rubber. It's safe, so is Avril.

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I like the fact that she wears a tie. I have a friend who has started wearing ties as belts. It is good to see them being used for other purposes than what they were intended for - office conformity.

Yes, beter instead to conform to fashonistas like the excerable Sarah Jessica Parker.

If you want to use ties for "other purposes", the first step is finding a sturdy bedpost.


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Yes, beter instead to conform to fashonistas like the excerable Sarah Jessica Parker.

Have you seen the unendurable commercial with her dancing, somewhat lamely, to Lenny Kravitz playing guitar, rather lamely? They're like "His 'n' Hers"-beens. It has Mrs. Magoo smacking the mute button like she's on a game show.

Sex and the City was, at times, amusing. The cult following the show and its stars seems to have attracted, as well as the pseudo-'fabulous' single-'n'-lonely members of said cult, have me rolling my eyes so hard it feels like something ripped.


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Sex and the City is one of my guilty pleasures. Entertaining, and impossible to take seriously.
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quote:
Originally posted by black_dog:
I don't see what Avril's supposed hotness has to do with her music.

Has nothing at all do do with her music, but the thread drift is towards looks rather than music.

quote:
Originally posted by black_dog:
Frankly, I think she looks like your average suburban mall-rat

... and what's unattractive about that? Given the choice between "punk" mallrat and blonde bimbo, I'd take the former any day!

And I also prefer "average" looking people to people who try (and most often fail) to live up to nearly impossible "ideal" looks...


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quote:
Originally posted by 'lance:
I don't think I've heard the word "box" in this context since I was about 16.

It's comparable to using the term "package" for referring to a man's ... uh, youknow

I think it's time for women to reclaim this term! In doing so, we would give Boxing Day a new meaning!

I think the tie could be in homage to AC/DC...?

[ 15 October 2004: Message edited by: steffie ]


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quote:
we would give Boxing Day a new meaning!

Box lunch would become snicker-worthy too. But really, don't you think most women are still having trouble trying to reclaim "down there"?


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Have you seen the unendurable commercial with her dancing, somewhat lamely, to Lenny Kravitz playing guitar, rather lamely? They're like "His 'n' Hers"-beens. It has Mrs. Magoo smacking the mute button like she's on a game show.

Oh have I ever. (Why would anyone take fashion advice from SJ Parker anyway? She always looks like a thrift store vomited on her.)

quote:
I'm crazy for this little lady
I'm freaking for my little baby
'Cause she makes me feel good
She's so fine

Don't need all my other ladies
I'm beggin' for this little lady
'Cause I tell you she's cool
She's divine

I know she's a super lady
I'm weak and I've gone hazy yeah...


You get the idea. That crap almost makes Avril's lyrics read like Leonard Cohen.

quote:
... and what's unattractive about that? Given the choice between "punk" mallrat and blonde bimbo, I'd take the former any day!

I've got Avril pegged: I've ridden with many of her sullen ilk on the bus.

"So my mom was all like 'do you know what time it is?' and I was all like 'fuck you, bitch, I'm not doing any fucking homework.' She's such a bitch."

Anyway, if we're picking teen starlets, I've got one word for you: Lohan.


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I've got Avril pegged: I've ridden with many of her sullen ilk on the bus.

"So my mom was all like 'do you know what time it is?' and I was all like 'fuck you, bitch, I'm not doing any fucking homework.' She's such a bitch."

---
Sounds like nutrtional deficiency to me.
Avril recently admitted that much of her sullen behaviour was actually due to undiagnosed hypoglycemia.
Here is an interesting resource for anyone who observes bad behaviour regularly.or has an interest in improving health generally -

http://www.nutritional-healing.com.au

[ 15 October 2004: Message edited by: yankcanuck ]


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Hey I'm a 19 year old (straight) guy, I'm entitled to this opinion.

[ 15 October 2004: Message edited by: Vansterdam Kid ]


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black_dog -- chief of the culture police.

He'll set you straight -- "don't like that or else!" And further more if you don't heed his advice you'll be dismissed as an "uncultured boob". Because as we know "he knows best".

Bwahahaha.

The smilies still work so I'm going to use them -- and I really don't get the Alanis thing.


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quote:
black_dog -- chief of the culture police.
He'll set you straight -- "don't like that or else!" And further more if you don't heed his advice you'll be dismissed as an "uncultured boob". Because as we know "he knows best".

Now you're getting it! Black Dog is the sole arbiter of taste on matters of pop culture. So says I.


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