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al-Qa'bong
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posted 06 July 2004 10:12 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OK, Big Mama Thornton sang Hound Dog in the 1940s and there were many other Black artists doing this stuff before The King, but this date is as good a starting date as any.

Nostalgie.fr has been celebrating the 50th birthday this week as well.

Elvis fans worldwide celebrate That's All Right recording

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The song was played simultaneously by more than 1,000 radio stations around the world after Scotty Moore, Presley's first guitarist, began the satellite broadcast from Sun Studios in Memphis.

The famed studio, where Presley recorded the song on July 5, 1954, also produced music by Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins and Johnny Cash.



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josh
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posted 06 July 2004 10:17 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Elvis schmelvis. He's the most overrated pop star of all time. He couldn't hold a candle to Chuck Berry. And as I recall, Rock Around the Clock was recorded in April 1954. So, Elvis and his "Mama" can stuff it.
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posted 06 July 2004 10:23 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Uh oh. Do I detect a split in the mutual admiration society?
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flotsom
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posted 06 July 2004 11:02 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, yeah, Elvis yeah.

Everyone should know the first rock and roll song is Rocket 88, recorded in 1951, by Ike Turner.

ROCKET 88
(Ike Turner)

You may have heard of jalopies
You heard the noise they make
Let me introduce you to my rocket 88
Yes, it's great, just won't wait
Everybody likes my rocket 88
Gals will ride in style, moving all along

V-8 motor and this modern design
My convertible top and the gals don't mind
Sportin' with me,
Ridin' all around town for joy

Step in my rocket and a-don't be late
We're pullin' out about a half past eight
Goin' on the corner and a-havin' some fun
Takin' my rocket on a long hot run
Ooh, goin' out, oozin' and cruisin' along

Now that you've ridden in my rocket 88
I'll be around every night about eight
You know it's great, don't be late
Everybody likes my rocket 88
Gals will ride in style, moving all along.


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 06 July 2004 11:06 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh yeah, flots?

Big Mama Thornton could take both you and Ike with one arm tied behind her back!

Incidentally, The Boswell Sisters (white girls from New Orleans) recorded a song called "Rock and Roll" around 1933.

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Stephen Gordon
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posted 06 July 2004 11:08 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
(Sound of people getting out of their chairs and moving out of harm's way. Bartender reaches for the 'peacemaker' under the counter.)
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Stephen Gordon
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posted 06 July 2004 11:09 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Double post.

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flotsom
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posted 06 July 2004 11:13 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not going to quarrel with Big Momma Thornton, but you know those two are blues tunes.

I'm talking Rock'nRoll, man!

Wilbert Harrison!


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posted 06 July 2004 11:13 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thought music had charms to sooth the savage breast?
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flotsom
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posted 06 July 2004 11:17 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not this savage breast. I'm goin to Kansas City!
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al-Qa'bong
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posted 06 July 2004 11:18 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"That don't move me, let's get REAL gone!"

The King
Milk Cow Blues

Frémeaux has an eight volume (2 CD per vol.) set called "Roots of Rock and Roll", covering proto-Rock from 1928 to 1952.

http://www.fremeaux.com/catalogue.htm

Edited for arithmetic.

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'lance
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posted 06 July 2004 11:23 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Big Mama Thornton could take both you and Ike with one arm tied behind her back!

That's as may be, but she didn't record "Hound Dog" until 1952.


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posted 06 July 2004 11:24 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like that Viva Las Vegas tune, though.

A couple of years ago I was getting into the drinks with a Rockabilly musician friend who basically worships Elvis, when this real Elvis impersonator strolls by. A guy from Winnepeg. He was awesome. Better than the pelvis himself. We had a good swarm going... until the fuzz came to splash us all back.

And no, he wasn't in the costume...he just came by for a chat when he saw our guitars.

Anybody from the Peg should know who I'm talking about.

Edited to add:

Good point, 'lance. (pun)

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al-Qa'bong
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posted 06 July 2004 11:37 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He might also have mentioned that Jackie Brentson did Rocket 88 first.
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posted 06 July 2004 11:40 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I might have done, except that I didn't know it.
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al-Qa'bong
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posted 07 July 2004 12:00 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't either, but I thought there was something fishy about the claim that Ike Turner did it first.

I used to fill in as a host for a radio show called "Jumpin' the Blues" (R&B, Doo Wop, Black Swing, etc.) and played "Rocket 88" each time I did so - but Ike wasn't the performer. I couldn't remember the name of the guy I played, and so googled the tune.


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posted 07 July 2004 01:37 AM      Profile for beluga2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jackie Brenston was the vocalist in Ike Turner's band, the Kings of Rhythm, who played on "Rocket 88" (that's Ike on piano). For some reason, Sam Phillips stuck Brenston's name on the record.

So, in a way, Ike turner did "do it first"... except that he didn't. KnowwhutImean?


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 07 July 2004 01:59 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The All Music Guide credits Brenston as the writer of the song, which might be why Sam Phillips put his name on the record.

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Yet more editing...

I'm waiting for Black_Dog to jump in any time.

Has anyone heard Dread Zeppelin's version of Black Dog/Hound Dog?

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Q'ajhk jaj vam! Gimme my Batleth! The war over music has begun!

Actually, the first "rock" tunes started in the latter part of the 19th century in the form of blues country/folk and gospel.

Over the next 25 years or so, it evolved into Tin Pan Alley jazz and blues in New Orleans and later Chicago.

The jazz/blues/country mix eventually became known as Rhythm Blues in the 1940s, to differentiate it from other jazz/blues mixes like Swing and later Be-Bop.

The term "Rock and Roll" didn't actually exist until 1951, when a New York DJ thought he could get away with playing this type of music on a commercial station if he changed the name from rhythm blues, which, until then, had only been played on "black" stations and the budding alternative or campus radio stations.

Elvis did record That's Alright Mama on July 5, 1954. But apparently it wasn't released until September, and never got serious airplay on any urban radio stations until the tune hit the blues scene in New York and Chicago in early 1955.

The tune kicked off Presley's career, and is considered a milestone because it was one of the first tunes to push rock music onto center stage of the media, and sparked a huge interest in blues and up-tempo jazz.

But the song itself is much older, having been written several years earlier by the southern rockabilly artist Arthur Big Boy Crudup, who apparently died of an illness at a young age in obscurity.

In a way, Elvis owes his inspiration, at least in part, to this poor rockabilly dude.

So as we celebrate the 50th anniversary of Elvis' revolutionary career, I say here's to Arthur Big Boy Crudup, another lost name of rockers who really started the whole music revolution.


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Klingon
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>"Has anyone heard Dread Zeppelin's version of Black Dog/Hound Dog?

K'pla! I have a bootleg cassette with this tune on it. Very bizzarre Elvis impersonated vocals, with a reggae beat, doing a great Zeppelin classic.


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posted 07 July 2004 09:17 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
this real Elvis impersonator


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posted 07 July 2004 02:39 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
yeah, yeah. As opposed to the fake Elvis Impersonater. Skdadl, you rapier.

Have you seen my good point, 'lance?


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posted 07 July 2004 02:42 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes. Ahem. flotsom, you are aware, aren't you, that per rabble's Collective Agreement 03-342983/D, all punning herein is considered bargaining-unit work, to be performed exclusively by accredited and paid-up members of the International Union of Punsters, Quipsters, and Allied Trades, Local 13?

May I see your union card, flotsom -- or "Brother" flotsom, as the case may be?


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 07 July 2004 03:10 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The term "Rock and Roll" didn't actually exist until 1951

*arms photon torpedoes*

But, but, The Boswell Sisters recorded Rock and Roll in 1934, and Cab Calloway had a 1942 song called I Want to Rock .


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posted 07 July 2004 03:18 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Cab Calloway had a 1942 song called I Want to Rock.

Of course!

*raises deflector shields*

Later covered by April Wine as I Like to Rock.

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Drop Cloak. Target disruptors!

>"The Boswell Sisters recorded Rock and Roll in 1934, and Cab Calloway had a 1942 song called I Want to Rock ."

P'Tachk! I was referring to the term as the definition of the music. The first time it was used in this capacity was in 1951.

I have the Cab Calloway tune on an old compilation album of his music. I have never heard the Boswell Sisters' song, although I know of that group. Anyone know where to find it?

There are other tunes with "Rock and Roll" or "Rock" in their titles that pre-date 1951. But no one referred to the musical genre by that name before then.

More examples:

"Baby Let Me Rock With You" Louis Jordan and his Tympani Five in 1950

"Rock, Rock, Rock" Bill Haley and the Saddlemen (forerunners of the Comets) in 1959.

>"Later covered by April Wine as I Like to Rock."

P'Tachk! Lance you rabble-rouser! I should kill you where you stand!

The Cab Calloway and April wine tunes aren't at all alike. It was no cover. It was a completely different tune. Just that wacko band Twisted Sister and their "I Wanna Rock" in 1984.


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posted 07 July 2004 04:41 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The Cab Calloway and April wine tunes aren't at all alike. It was no cover. It was a completely different tune.

Who, me?

('lance whistles, looks up at sky)

Fishing without a licence?

Nah. I swear, there I was, just paddling harmlessly down the thread, when this one just leapt right into the boat! Honest!


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posted 07 July 2004 05:09 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
'lance, nice cut, 'tho you are branching off, and perhaps even going against the grain, but then it's good you raise our standard, for:


Is there aught we hold in common with the greedy parasite; Who would lash us into serfdom and would crush us with his might? Is there anything left to us but to organize and fight? For the union makes us strong.


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posted 07 July 2004 05:18 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
...For the union makes us strong.

Close enough for... ah, for rock and roll.


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