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rasmus
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posted 02 April 2005 07:00 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Are these things true?
quote:

How to tell if your pope is dead

Every pope has a chief of staff, called the
Camerlengo. When a pope dies, the Camerlengo must
certify that he is indeed dead. The ritual
tradition is to strike him on the forehead with
a silver hammer, call his baptismal name
three times and place a cloth over his mouth.
If the pope does not respond, the Camerlengo
declares him dead, authorizes a death certificate
and then seals the papal living apartments.

Later, the silver hammer is used to scratch and
break the papal ring and seal, so no documents
can be forged in his name.


quote:
It's not just the ring that gets kissed

The Vatican is still annoyed about Pope Joan,
the female pope who passed herself off as a
man, only to be rumbled and put to death when
she gave birth to the son of a fellow Cardinal
in her accession procession.

To prevent any repetition, the candidate chosen
as the new Pontiff has to sit naked on a special
marble throne in the Vatican. The Cardinals
assemble in a room below the throne, and look up
through a hole to check that all is as
it should be.

Once satisfied with the Holy Nutsack, they
then incant in Latin, "he has testicles and
they hang well'.


quote:
It is the "groaning-chair" of Poor Robin's Almanac (1676) and we find it alluded to in Boccaccio, the classical sedile which according to scoffers has formed the papal chair (a curule seat) ever since the days of Pope Joan, when it has been held advisable for one of the Cardinals to ascertain that His Holiness possesses all the instruments of virility.

quote:
There is also circumstantial evidence difficult to explain if there was never a female Pope. One example is the so-called chair exam, part of the medieval papal consecration ceremony for almost six hundred years. Each newly elected Pope after Joan sat on the sella stercoraria (literally, "dung seat"), pierced in the middle like a toilet, where his genitals were examined to give proof of his manhood. Afterward the examiner solemnly informed the gathered people, "Mas nobis nominus est" -- "Our nominee is a man." Only then was the Pope handed the keys of St. Peter. This ceremony continued until the sixteenth century.

[ 02 April 2005: Message edited by: rasmus raven ]


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rasmus
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posted 02 April 2005 07:11 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://newtimes.rway.com/1996/120496/cover.htm
http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/popejoan.htm
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08407a.htm
http://tafkac.org/religion/pope_joan_con_more.html

[ 02 April 2005: Message edited by: rasmus raven ]


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oldgoat
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posted 02 April 2005 07:14 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The first is true up until the present time. Now the Secratary of State, Angelo Soderno in this case, merely calls out his name and they skip the hammer. He isn't officially the Camerlengo until the Pope's death is verified. The Papal ring and seal are destroyed, but not by the hammer. They use more conventional and practical tools. I think this happens in the case of the death of any monarch.

I'm reminded of the old Beatles song....

" Bang bang Angelo's silver hammer came down on his head
Bang bang Angelo's silver hammer made sure that he was dead."

Regarding the rest of your speculation Rasmus, I'm a bit sceptical. I think you're merely confusing things with the party that happend the next weekend up at Castle Gandolfo.


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lagatta
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posted 02 April 2005 07:17 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wasn't the examination to ascertain that the Papabile had the requisite three-piece set more a way of weeding out eunuchs?
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Agent 204
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posted 02 April 2005 07:21 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe. I guess they might want to eliminate eunuchs, because they'd have an unfair advantage in remaining holy. Kinda like taking steroids to win a medal, only in reverse.
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audra trower williams
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posted 02 April 2005 09:09 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've want to believe in Pope Joan. It makes me happier. I've read a bit about her. I've heard the Chair Exam was put into place AFTER her. Pope Joan by Donna Woolfolk Cross was good, but fictionalized for sure.

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