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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 20 November 2001 02:34 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is pretty funny:
http://www.doneanddusted.co.uk/nick/Movie2.html

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Trinitty
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posted 20 November 2001 02:41 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's kinds sad really. What one would think of themselves in order to do that is very sad.

I grew-up on Thriller, I thought he was the greatest. I don't like that music anymore, but, I have yet to see anyone that can move like he does. Unreal.

Did you see that he has another album out now?


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 20 November 2001 02:46 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Unreal.


That's because he's a robot. Or a clone. Or maybe a hologram.


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Trinitty
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posted 20 November 2001 02:49 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe a muppet?
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posted 20 November 2001 02:52 PM      Profile for PanzerLeader   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So, is he still black or what?
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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 20 November 2001 02:54 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I once heard that the reason he'd gone through all the plastic surgery was to make himself androgynous and non-racial. He's neither black, nor white. He's neither male, nor female. He represents all people. He's a walking piece of art.


He's also aging very very badly.

He claims he is so pale because he has a disease that has destroyed the pigment in his skin over time. This could very well be true. It is an actual disease.

[ November 20, 2001: Message edited by: Kneel before MediaBoy ]


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Trinitty
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posted 20 November 2001 02:57 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What is this? The Ottawa babblers MJ fan club?!

I heard that as well. I thought it was a much better respose than his standard, "hee-hee, I have a skin disease and this is the cover up I use, and I've only had plastic surgery twice."

I wanna find that footage of his first televised moonwalk....


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posted 20 November 2001 05:34 PM      Profile for LotusGrrrl        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ughh...how sad. But then again, how disgusting that someone would have that kind of vanity and money to do that to themselves. That money could have been used for worthier causes.
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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 20 November 2001 05:49 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Couldn't one make the same argument about any spending on art? If he considers himself a living piece of art, who are we to judge how much money was spend on the creation of that art? At least he used his own money.

The argument that it's a waste of money that could be spent elsewhere could be uqually applied to the Canada Council or the National Endowment for the Arts in the USA.


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JCL
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posted 20 November 2001 06:03 PM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PL - As one of the lines from Mikey's songs, "It doesn't matter if you're black and white." I think he's singing about himself.

At first when I saw the thread title, I thought people were talking about Michael Jackson, the wide reciever from the NFL. Chris Berman, a ESPN sports figure, he hosts a show every Sunday night wrapping up the day's games in the NFL. Whenever the team MJ the player was on, and if he got a reception Chris Berman would say "He passes it to Michael "Whoo Hoo" Jackson."


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JCL
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posted 20 November 2001 06:26 PM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
LotusGrrl - It's his money and who are we to judge/say where others put their money? It isn't public money. Bill Gates donates a lot of money to charities and universities but that doesn't make the news. Peter Nygaard, the fashion designer who's from Winnipeg donates several million a year to breast cancer research yet it doesn't make the news.

Besides, how does one know if MJ does give money to some causes? Maybe he does but it doesn't make the news.


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Tommy_Paine
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posted 20 November 2001 08:27 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One of my favorite lines from "Duckman".

Cornfed: "Giving Duckman an aphrodisiac would be like giving Michael Jackson a troop of Boy Scouts and a 45 gallon drum of peanut oil....alledgedly."


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posted 20 November 2001 08:43 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think he is trying to look like Liz taylor.
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posted 20 November 2001 08:46 PM      Profile for PanzerLeader   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is it just me or does he kinda look like Odo from Deep Space 9?

[ November 20, 2001: Message edited by: PanzerLeader ]


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JCL
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posted 20 November 2001 09:25 PM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tommy, WingNut, PL -
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Trinitty
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posted 21 November 2001 10:48 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He gives a lot of money to charity, more than I've heard of from other "stars".... who's albums are doing better.

He has a Heal the World Foundation for poor kids that he raises money for... much of it going to Africa.

He also has sick kids come to his "Neverland" ranch all the time. He has a full amusement park with rides, child-sized houses, a theatre with every kids movie you can imagine, a costume room and an arcade.

I see your point about the art thing M'boy, I just can't help feeling sad when I see what he's done to himself. He can't be happy with it.... in his new video, another ten minute mini-movie ala Micheal Jackson, you see his face close-up for about 5 seconds... even then he's got that fedora on, a tonne of make-up, and difused lighting.


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 21 November 2001 11:04 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Is it just me or does he kinda look like Odo from Deep Space 9?

I've never seen what you look like, so I can't really judge if it's just you that looks like Odo from Deep Space 9.

(I'M SO FUNNY!!!)

[ November 21, 2001: Message edited by: Kneel before MediaBoy ]


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David Kyle
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posted 22 November 2001 11:29 AM      Profile for David Kyle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Has it stuck anyone else that Micheal is starting to look more and more like the actress Liz Taylor?
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Trinitty
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posted 22 November 2001 11:37 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, there were big theories on that, saying he was trying to look like his "best friend".... before that people figured he was trying to look like Diana Ross.

I try to ignore his face and just watch his dancing.


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uh clem
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posted 23 November 2001 05:16 PM      Profile for uh clem   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Only in America could a poor black boy grow up to be a rich white man
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David Kyle
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posted 23 November 2001 10:37 PM      Profile for David Kyle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And now he's turning back into a black man. Reports are appearing that Mikey's latest video was altered frame by frame to make him look more black.
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JCL
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posted 24 November 2001 01:08 AM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I watched a few minutes of This Hour Has 22 Minutes tonight. They said Michael Jackson is going to make a very dark film. But he said it'll get lighter as the movie goes on. Good old "This Hour Has 22 Minutes" troupe.
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David Kyle
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posted 24 November 2001 01:12 PM      Profile for David Kyle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
LOL!
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posted 24 November 2001 09:42 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Could we maybe stop the blackness = skin pigment stuff? I just spent a year of my life doing the research for Black Berry, Sweet Juice, so I know that's bunk.
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Trinitty
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posted 26 November 2001 10:18 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He's got some sort of skin condition Audra, Luguno... something like that. His father has it as well. I'll look it up...
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David Kyle
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posted 26 November 2001 10:39 AM      Profile for David Kyle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The condition is called Vitiligo.

It explains his depigmentation treatment, but why go for the caucasian/asian like nose jobs?

Vitiligo affects at least 1% of the population, and occurs in ALL RACES. In half of sufferers, pigment loss begins before the age of 20. In one fifth, other family members also have vitiligo.

Even though most people with vitiligo are in good general health, they face a greater risk of having other autoimmune diseases such as diabetes, thyroid disease, pernicious anaemia (B12 deficiency), Addison's Disease (adrenal gland disease) and alopecia areata (round patches of hair loss).

The cause of vitiligo is not known. It sometimes follows physical injury such as sunburn, or emotional stress. There are three theories on the cause of vitiligo:

o The pigment cells are injured by abnormally functioning nerve cells.

o There may be an autoimmune reaction against the pigment cells (the body may destroy its own tissue, which it perceives as foreign).

o Autotoxic theory - the pigment cells are self-destructive.


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posted 26 November 2001 11:14 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know about the skin disease. What I am saying is, race/culture is not about skin colour. He's not "white" now, just because his skin is lighter.
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posted 28 November 2001 08:03 PM      Profile for saskzen     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He's always looked like a WingNut to me
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posted 28 November 2001 09:59 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
However, Audra, there are black people who say that the lighter you are, the more "skin privilege" you have, and that makes a big difference in the way you are treated, and therefore on your outlook on the world.

So a very light-skinned black person might see the world in a much different way culturally and socially than a dark-skinned black person. I'm not saying this is definitely true (I couldn't possibly, since I experience the world as a white person), but it's an interesting question - how much does lighter or darker skin colour affect someone's social or cultural life as a black person? I really should read that book Audra, it sounds quite interesting the more I hear about it. Maybe over Christmas break. Along with Imagine Democracy which I just got in the mail from babble. But now I'm just digressing completely.


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David Kyle
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posted 29 November 2001 10:48 AM      Profile for David Kyle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remember the comedy show "In Living Colour" (ok..so I'm Canadian) did a couple of sketches on the topic of lighter skinned blacks being more intelligent than darker skinned blacks.

I thought that they were poking fun at traditional white stereotypes. I learned later that this stereotype really does exist in parts of African American society. When I lived in Africa I witnessed this first hand on a few occasions.


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posted 29 November 2001 12:03 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
BTW, Audra, I'm not trying to negate your research with that last post. I just realized when I reread it that it sounded like that. After a year of research, you're the expert, not me. I'm just wondering how that whole light/dark skinned thing fits into the whole picture, because I've had some friends tell me that this has been a big issue in the black community. Does the book talk about that much? (Yes, I know, get the book, but for some reason I feel much less guilty about spending hours babbling instead of reading the dead white guys for my courses than I would about sitting down with a book...oh Christmas break, you are going to be good.)
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