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fukgentrification
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posted 04 April 2006 09:37 PM      Profile for fukgentrification        Edit/Delete Post
Plateau Breaks Fringe's Heart
Fotopulos and Prescott unwilling to host popular festival on public property
In a city dominated by Goliath-sized festivals, the Fringe has quietly outgrown the role of David. Since setting up Fringe Central at Parc des Amériques in 2000 attendance has tripled. When a letter from a city official arrived just before Christmas, Fringe organizers realized that despite being the city's longest-running, most-attended festival of theatre, dance, music and performance, it had become a victim of its own success.

The December 21, 2005 letter simultaneously denied access to the Fringe's traditional outdoor site as well as all parks in the entire borough. Apparently, a letter had been sent months earlier to a nearby resident, promising the Fringe would not return to Parc des Amériques. Further review found that no alternative site would be available. "I guess they chose condos over culture," remarks Producer Jeremy Hechtman.

The St-Ambroise Montreal Fringe Festival is unique. To encourage experimentation among artists and audience, costs are kept to a minimum. Artists are programmed by lottery and 100% of the ticket price is returned directly to the artists. The 2005 edition of this "fair-trade" arts fest presented almost 600 shows and 50 free outdoor performances to over 53 000 spectators, putting over $100 000 directly into the pockets of participating artists. All this from a small, underdog festival with a total budget of about $300 000 and a full-time staff of two.

Parc des Amériques - the heart of the festival - is a cosy square of public property at the corner of St-Laurent and Rachel, rarely used for organized events. For ten days every June (four of which coincide with the popular St-Laurent Street Sale) this park has served as home to the Fringe's free outdoor programming component. The visibility of this site, combined with free concerts showcasing up-and-comers in Montreal's much-vaunted independent music scene, has been a key element in the Fringe's rapid growth. "More visibility means more tickets sold. More tickets means more money for independent artists," points out GM Geoffrey Agombar. Hechtman adds that "Our audience feels a deep ownership of this festival. The atmosphere at the park is a big part of that feeling, and certainly an important element in attracting francophones. Before moving to the park, francophone attendance was 15% of 18 000. Now we're at 50% of 53 000!"

But with the recent construction of the Paris Loft development, this park is now flanked on two sides by condominiums. While many neighbours set up shop on their balcony to enjoy the live performances, a handful have expressed displeasure to the borough. Hechtman admits, "Sure, the city has received complaints. They've received letters of support, too - from residents of the very same buildings! We've always worked to maintain good relations with our neighbours. But you can't please everyone. We certainly didn't expect the bureaucrats to kick our community of thousands off the Plateau to keep a half-dozen people off the phone lines. It's ridiculous."

The Fringe organizers have spent the last three months wading through conversations with adjoints and conseillers trying to find a compromise solution. "We'd love to stay on the Main or at least on the Plateau," Hechtman explains. "But, it's been increasingly difficult over the past few years and impossible since December. We appreciate the help our contacts at the Service de la culture have given, but someone somewhere has tied their hands. Helen Fotopulos [Borough Mayor] hasn't responded to a single phone call. I caught Michel Prescott [Borough Councillor] on the phone once. Since that conversation? Nothing. Just like Helen." "The Fringe has invested a decade and a half into developing its relationship with this neighbourhood. We don't want to move," Agombar adds. "It is very frustrating to find ourselves at this impasse with just 11 weeks left before the festival kicks off!"

Hechtman and Agombar stress that the 2006 Fringe is not in jeopardy and that a solution will be found with or without the city's help. "At this point, moving to a private terrain is likely our best option. It will cost us dearly in increased set-up costs, but not as much as it would cost us in lost revenue and audience if we move indoors or by an overpass in the middle of Siberia. If we return to our regular park but can't program live performances for half the festival or sell beer after 9pm like they've been suggesting the future of the festival is uncertain," says Hechtman.

Agombar finds it "particularly ironic that we find ourselves in this situation given how Mme Fotopulos bragged up the Plateau as 'le Quartier des Artistes' during the municipal elections. A study by Hill Strategies had found that the H2W postal code, home of the Fringe, had the highest concentration of working artists in all of North America. Ten times the national average. A November 1, 2005 campaign press release said our mairesse was ravie for us all, because our neighbourhood distinguished itself not just within the city but in the whole 'global village' as an 'incubator of trends.' She went on to promise to support young talents, to improve cultural infrastructures, and so on. What trend is her administration setting by giving us the squeeze?"

Coda:
If you feel affected by this news, please, consider sending a letter or email to the addresses below expressing your thoughts. Quite honestly, at this point, we do not know what effect it will have and are proceeding with alternative plans. Do remember to include your address, especially if you live in the Plateau-Mont-Royal. (Public servants love to know whose vote they've earned... or lost).

Helen Fotopulos
[email protected]
275, Notre-dame Est
Montreal (QC) H2Y 1C6
(t)514.872.2430
(f)514.872.9680
Michel Prescott
[email protected]
201, ave. Laurier Est
Montréal (QC) H2T 3E6
(t)514.868.5194
(f)514.868.4118

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For further information, please, contact Jeremy Hechtman
[email protected] (t)514.849.FEST (f)514.849.5529
3997, boul. St-Laurent, Montreal (QC) H2W 1Y4
www.montrealfringe.ca

MainLine Theatre produces the St-Ambroise Montreal Fringe Festival, operates the MainLine Theatre at 3997 St-Laurent Boulevard, and recently produced the hit musical Johnny Canuck and the Last Burlesque. MainLine is a not-for-profit, charitable organization. The Fringe is programmed by lottery, ticket prices are set by the artists up to a maximum of $9, 100% of that ticket price is returned to the artists you see on stage. Variety is guaranteed by holding a separate lottery in each of the following categories: local anglophone artists (25%), local francophone artists (25%), Canadian artists (25%), international artists (25%)

Fringe and Fringe Festival are registered trademarks of the Canadian Association of Fringe Festivals.

http://www.montrealfringe.ca/heartbroken.html


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Here is a good article I think every activist should read:

http://www.montrealmirror.com/2006/033006/news3.html

Hechtman, the artistic director behind Montreal’s popular Fringe theatre festival, is in a scrape with the Plateau’s government, headed by veteran councillor and borough mayor Helen Fotopulos, over the festival’s access to the Parc des Amériques, at the corner of Rachel and St-Laurent. The park has served as the 10-day festival’s nerve centre since 2000, doubling as home to its box office—which operates out of a rented trailer—and its famous beer tent, with its 10 p.m. last call. It also hosts a number of outdoor performances, ranging from acoustic music sets to small theatre pieces.

But late last year, the borough received enough complaints from nearby residents to clamp down on the festival. The city handed Hechtman and his Fringe partner Geoffrey Agombar—the festival’s only full-time employees—an ultimatum: no beer sales or live music after 9 p.m., and the gates have to be closed by 10 p.m. According to Hechtman, capping beer sales by even one hour a night might force the festival off the Plateau—or even kill it altogether.

The Fringe in endangered. WE need to band together and save it!


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posted 05 April 2006 02:27 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
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posted 05 April 2006 03:01 AM      Profile for Norse of 60     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Here we go again....
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quote:
Originally posted by Norse of 60:
Here we go again....
Well, one of the best ways to ensure that "here we go again" is to say something like "here we go again"....

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There you go again
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That's possibly my favourite line by Ronald Reagan.
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Guys, this is the Fringe festival, not the sock-puppet's pet project the Infringement festival. If The Fringe is being kicked out, it's a serious issue, and every thread about theatre shouldn't be dismissed like this.

I'll be writing to my deputé Helen Fotopulos right away.

The Plateau has been made a "cool" place to live precisely because of all the artists and musicians who live there, and festivals like the Fringe that have had such success there. It's a disgrace to kick it out after everything it's done for art in Montréal.


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Guys, this is the Fringe festival, not the sock-puppet's pet project the Infringement festival.

Not only that, but the sock puppet despises the Fringe. If the sock puppet were endorsing the Fringe he'd be becoming everything he hates.


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Yes - horrors - an independent brewery actually funds the Fringe in part.

Every arts festival I know (and have done work for) has to scrape together money from sponsors, government funders and subscribers, as well as on-site sales.

It is indeed ironic - the condo owners bought their condos (one on Rachel Street in a former garment factory, Paris Star, renamed the Paris lofts, the other on one side of the little square, precisely because it is a lively area with good access to arts, many small shops, the mountain, good transport links etc. If not, they would have bought in Laval or in a more remote area of Montréal island where parking is easier and it is quieter.

Rules are needed in terms of how late the noise from a festival can last, but such events are part of living in the city centre. The people who bought condos in the two buildings are well aware that there are also sidewalk sales with St-Laurent blocked off, Nuits d'Afrique festival and other events there.

The little park is a nice development - used to be an ugly parking lot. Now the trees are growing nicely. There is an odd structure that sort of resembles a Mayan ruin, but now it has become part of the scenery, as has the Portuguese gazebo in Parc du Portugal one block farther north. Alas I can't seem to find a photo of Parc des Amériques (all the files with it seem to be dead), but here is a lovely pic of Parc du Portugal. Leonard Cohen has a little house on the side street to the right of the photo.

Up here we have all the Italian events at Parc de la Petite Italie and Parc Dante, and a lot of Latin-American events at a park at the corner of Bélanger and de Châteaubriand, and at big Jarry Park between Faillon and Jarry, just east of St-Laurent.

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I just heard about the mayor's response:


http://www.withoutannette.net/pics/Fringe%20press%20release.pdf]Mayor's press Release

I think it is bullshit. This isn't really about "beer vs. culture" as she says - it is about the city denying the Fringe the right to use the park it has used for 10 years now. What a kick in the teeth to independant artists, especially on the Fringe's Sweet 16. I'd like everyone here to complain to the Mayor if possible. This is unacceptable.


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If there are problems with drunkeness and rowdy behaviour, then those should be dealt with - I hadn't heard of many serious problems at the fringe. 10pm is not very late!

It isn't the only such problem in recent years. There used to be a lovely alternative Fête Nationale celebration on St-Viateur, with international food, several music and other performances, and dancing in the street. The city shut it down and it hasn't been able to get going elsewhere. The street is an integral part of such events.


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Also, thanks Catchfire for writing the mayor. I hope everyone else does too.
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Here is the homepage for Paris lofts, the larger condo (a recycled garment factory). Indeed it spotlights the lively downtown neighbourhood:

http://216.13.48.236/jsp/login/home.jsp

www.parislofts.com

You can see part of the park in the outside views of Paris Lofts.

The other condo just north of the park (Paris Lofts is just east of it) is much smaller, and looks just like normal Montréal triplexes.


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Since when did Montréal, and St. Laurent at that, become concerned with rowdiness after 9:00? For a street that has bars open until 4:00 and later on weekends, to clamp down on an independent theatre festival is absurd. How late can the Jazz and comedy festivals sell beer?

Helen Fotopulos's release makes it sound as if a bunch of theatre volunteers just want to get drunk in the streets and set off firecrackers. What a crock.


The number of complaints coming out of the plateau these days is absurd. A small, long-time plateau-resident bakery has been served with a lawsuit because the scent of freshly baked bread everyday was irritating a young professional who lived over it--who no doubt moved there because of the quaint, eccentric spirit of the neighbourhood. Indy, faire-trade cafés like Café Rico that roast their own coffee beans have been warned to control the vapours or be evicted. Now, I hate the smell of fresh bread and freshly-roasted coffee as much as the next asshole, but this is ridiculous.

And Hephaeston, et al...why I appreciate how a certain puppet master has made you wary of any theatre threads on babble, this one is legit, so please stop harrassing it. If you don't like it, don't post.


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Catchfire, I think Heph was replying to fukgentrification's posts with long URLs. "X" has become a rather elliptical way of saying that these URLs can cause a Babble discussion to sidescroll on smaller computer screens.

(Fukgentrification, could you please use either the URL function in the "compose message" screen, or tinyurl.com, to make a hyperlink? Thanks -- and if you don't know what I mean, please ask, and someone can show how to do hyperlinks in Babble.)

And yes, I did see that this discussion was about the Fringe festival. My silly comments were in reply to Norse of 60's post wondering (understandably) whether it was about something else. This is an interesting story, and although I don't live in Montreal, the Fringe has my support on this one. (I might be in the city this summer. Am I right to understand that the festival is planning to go ahead at the scheduled time, but is looking for an alternate venue?)

Lagatta, I agree with your comments below. It's certainly a familiar situation in cities, of people being attracted to a particular neighbourhood for the things that make it distinctive, and those things then being driven out, either by rising land prices, or (in this case) through the efforts of the people who themselves have been drawn to that neighbourhood, as Jane Jacobs and others have described.

quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
It is indeed ironic - the condo owners bought their condos (one on Rachel Street in a former garment factory, Paris Star, renamed the Paris lofts, the other on one side of the little square, precisely because it is a lively area with good access to arts, many small shops, the mountain, good transport links etc. ...

Rules are needed in terms of how late the noise from a festival can last, but such events are part of living in the city centre. The people who bought condos in the two buildings are well aware that there are also sidewalk sales with St-Laurent blocked off, Nuits d'Afrique festival and other events there.

The little park is a nice development - used to be an ugly parking lot. ...



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"X" has become a rather elliptical way of saying that these URLs can cause a Babble discussion to sidescroll on smaller computer screens.

I thought so too, so I set my monitor (display adapter, really) to the lowest resolution I could, 800 x 600, and viewed the thread, and there was no sidescroll.

Unless someone is viewing this page on their iPod, or they insist on cranking up the type to the largest possible size, or they have a computer that still displays VGA (640 x 480 at 16 colours) I can't see how all this supposed sidescroll is occurring.

Way, way back in the day I had a 14" monitor (I don't think you can even buy a 14" anymore) that could still do 1024 x 768, so even in 1992, had the web existed, I wouldn't have been able to reproduce sidescroll.


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Catchfire, I think Heph was replying to fukgentrification's posts with long URLs. "X" has become a rather elliptical way of saying that these URLs can cause a Babble discussion to sidescroll on smaller computer screens.

Fair enough. I thought it was an austere reincarnation of the "plonking" days of yore. If that's the case, I apologize. I suppose what's making some people suspicious about theatre threads from Montreal is having the equal, if reverse effect on me.

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Sorry about the URL's - I'll try to fix them. Here is something I found online:

CBC Report

The mayor of the borough of Plateau-Mont-Royal says the Fringe Festival is spreading lies.

Festival organizers claim city officials want them out of the Plateau, but Mayor Helen Fotopulos insists they simply want the Fringe to lower noise levels at their outdoor site.

Since the year 2000, the Fringe Festival has run its outdoor site in Parc des Amériques, in the heart of Plateau Mont-Royal, at the corner of St-Laurent and Rachel...


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I couldn't figure out how to fix the URL.

Still though, I think it is important to email the mayor to complain about this. Support the artists and support Quebec micro-beer!


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Montreal Mirror Update:

Mum on Fringe

Following a Tuesday morning meeting between Fringe Festival organizers Jeremy Hechtman and Geoffrey Agombar and Plateau borough mayor Helen Fotopulos, both sides are saying they believe an amicable solution can be found to a spat that made media and blogosphere rounds last week. At issue were beer sales at the Fringe headquarters at the Parc des Amériques, on the corner of St-Laurent and Rachel. The festival wanted to keep selling beer until 10 p.m. throughout the 10-day festival, while the borough wanted a strict 9 p.m. last call. Hechtman says losing the 9–10 p.m. sales hour could cripple the Fringe’s budget. Noise complaints from nearby residents prompted the clampdown.

“We would characterize the meeting as constructive,” says Fotopulos aide Marc Snyder. “A number of alternative site proposals were made, discussions are ongoing and both parties appreciated the meeting.”

Pressed about alternate sites, Snyder says, “Discussions are ongoing.”

“Uh, lessee—several alternative sites were proposed, and discussions are ongoing,” says Hechtman. “You might as well just use the same quote twice.”

A decision is expected soon. —Patrick Lejtenyi


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Apparently the other festival has a letter to the editor published in HOUR. It is not online and I haven't read it.
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This is the letter from the other festival:

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Although i'm not too fond of the way that the Fringe TM has been running their Montreal Fest in the past few years I have to agree with them in the case of the noise complaints on the main. If you buy an apartment/condo on St-Laurent, don't expect it to be quiet. Move to WestMount if you want quiet.

However, I do find it odd that Jeremy Hechtman claims that the whole Fringe Festival is in trouble because of the loss of beer revenue when they have a budget of $300 000. I know that the Infringement Festival operated with about $750 last year, had over 65 acts and 13 venues. Surely the Fringe can operate with even a fraction of their 300 thousand.

But even though I don't see it as the great tragedy that Jeremy Hechtman is painting it out to be, i'm with him in this case because frankly, these complaints are rather absurd.

Jay Lemieux, Montreal infringement Festival


Even though I don't support the other festival at all - in fact I consider it illegal because of the copyright isssue - I am glad that they are supporting us in this case. We need all the help we can get. SAVE THE FRINGE!!!!!


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This just came out from the Mayor in her weekly communique:

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Fringe

I have spent a lot of time explaining our position on the St-Ambroise Montreal Fringe Festival. We have always supported the Festival’s importance and wish to continue hostiing it in on the Plateau. It is our responsibility to define the festival’s parameters in order to reduce the inconveniences to the residents . We have reached an agreement on all items except the 'last call' time for alcohol sales.

I sincerely hope that the imbroglio gets resolved and the Fringe goes on.


I think she's lying or backpedalling. Jeremy Hechtman said she wanted it moved to Westmount Park or under and underpass in the mile end. I guess the amount of pressure activists like us put on her cause the U-turn. Now if only she can be agreeable on the sales times of Ste. Ambroise Quebec micro-beer the Fringe will hopefully be saved!


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I don't want to be an asshole but this so-cleed "strike" is taking away from the conversation. Yes it sucks that a moderator got the sack, but there are other pressing issues which need to be discussed.
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posted 13 April 2006 10:08 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
You aren't being prevented from discussing them, are you?

This thread didn't even get a "STRIKE!" post, so what exactly are you even complaining about? That everyone went somewhere else and doesn't want to talk about what YOU happen to think is "urgent"?

Babble sure is a quiet, boring, useless place with only a few stragglers, eh? That's kind of the point.


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Saving the Fringe IS urgent! It is urgent for all of us, because without the Fringe cities like Montreal will have no fun outdoor place to drink micro-brew, see up-and-coming artists, and meet lots of cool people. Who wants a boring city full of condos and noise restrictions? We must demand the right to party and do the arts.
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posted 13 April 2006 01:33 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
As I noted, nobody is preventing you from discussing whatever you wish to discuss.

Is your point that the babblers who don't wish to participate here, or whose participation here is limited to discussing recent events here, should or must abandon this because YOU want them here to talk to because YOU feel that this Fringe thing is more important than what they find important?

Even when babble was running normally, there was no way to force anyone to participate on a thread. Surely you can understand that?

And meanwhile, if being at babble is like being an only child with an 8-player board game, great. If being here sucks, great. If it's just not the same without the core group of regular babblers here and you don't find that terribly enjoyable, GREAT! That's the whole point! Many babblers feel that, while they are certainly "users" of babble, they also contribute something. You're now finding out firsthand exactly what they contribute.


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But I like "boring cities full of condos and noise restrictions".

Just kidding.

I volunteered for the Montreal Fringe in the early 1990s. [We are talking about the Fringe, right, and not one of those off-off-off Broadway experimental postmodernistic Performance Anxiety thingies are we? If you don't known who Anxiety is, ask Mr. Magoo - he used to post here and drove everyone bananas, and Magoo loved to torment him, to all of our enjoyment]

I support the effort to ensure the Fringe continues. It is a wonderfully weird and unpretentious activity. Most of the acts are dreadfully bad (sorry) but in all the nonsense, there are always nuggets of pure gold.

I hope you are successful

[ 13 April 2006: Message edited by: Critical Mass2 ]


From: AKA Critical Mass or Critical Mass3 - Undecided in Ottawa/Montreal | Registered: Nov 2005  |  IP: Logged
Stargazer
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posted 13 April 2006 01:38 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Is your point that the babblers who don't wish to participate here, or whose participation here is limited to discussing recent events here, should or must abandon this because YOU want them here to talk to because YOU feel that this Fringe thing is more important than what they find important?


Isn't this exactly what the 'strikers' are doing Magoo? How is this any different? The strikers have decided what is important for them should be important for everyone.

Your last sentence is quite telling as well. This site will suck without x people? Perhaps for awhile, yes, as many people who don't tow that line will miss them, as I do. But jesus h christ on a pogo stick! Apply the same standards to the strikers that you are to others, who are attempting to continue posting interesting information.


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posted 13 April 2006 01:45 PM      Profile for fukgentrification        Edit/Delete Post
Yes, we are talking about the real Fringe (you can tell it is real by checking the trademark on the site www.montrealfringe.ca) - not some sort of wannabe spin-off like the other festival. Thanks for your support Critical Mass!

[ 13 April 2006: Message edited by: fukgentrification ]


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posted 13 April 2006 01:51 PM      Profile for Critical Mass2        Edit/Delete Post
Hey, life goes on.
From: AKA Critical Mass or Critical Mass3 - Undecided in Ottawa/Montreal | Registered: Nov 2005  |  IP: Logged
Mr. Magoo
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posted 13 April 2006 01:51 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Isn't this exactly what the 'strikers' are doing Magoo?

Any striker still posting here is posting whatever they feel like posting. Any babbler staying behind is posting whatever they feel like posting.

Not sure I see anything wrong with this. I'm certainly not demanding that any babbler post what I want them to post, or stay on some topic I want them to stay on. So when I see calls to "knock it off" and "quit talking about the strike and get things back to normal around here" (or for that matter "we NEED to talk about the Fringe festival!!!") then I have to chuckle a little.

Nobody in this thread is being prevented in any way from talking about the Fringe festival. If you can show me where anyone still posting at babble is being prevented from posting at babble, please do.

quote:
The strikers have decided what is important for them should be important for everyone.

I'm sure they'd like your support. But the most they can do is post something they choose to post. You're not obligated to join in. They're not obligated not to post.

quote:
This site will suck without x people?

That seemed to be the stated problem in this thread.

Otherwise, what's the problem in this thread? As I noted above, this thread hasn't even been decimated by someone posting "STRIKE!". By all accounts this thread should be humming along, tickety-boo. If it's not, is that perhaps because nobody's around? Or what?

quote:
Apply the same standards to the strikers that you are to others, who are attempting to continue posting interesting information.

I'm not sure what standards you're referring to. As noted, you post anything you want, and I'll post anything I want. If you want to play three-word improv, and I want to say "STRIKE!" then let's both.

Tell me, what's the harm in that? What's the inconsistency? If what you're posting is, indeed, "interesting" then for sure everyone will start talking about it and nobody will care about some strike thingy. How can you lose?


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fukgentrification
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posted 13 April 2006 02:07 PM      Profile for fukgentrification        Edit/Delete Post
OK, enough about the strike already!

I think it's cool that VIA RAIL, a great way to get around, is sponsoring the Fringe this year! That means artists can tour the country in style, hopping from city to city on the train! I'm not sure who is touring the circuit this year, but I hope they include some of my favourites like the One Man Star Wars show.


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posted 13 April 2006 02:10 PM      Profile for fukgentrification        Edit/Delete Post
Actually, from the same site:

quote:
BECOME A NATIONAL SPONSOR

CAFF provides unique access to cultured and enthusiastic audiences. We currently have several sponsorship and advertising opportunities available on both a national and regional scale for corporations looking to support the arts and the vision of the Canadian Association of Fringe Festivals.

In 2004 alone, CAFF members achieved a ticketed show attendance of more than 325,000 and a total attendance (to all Fringe events) of over 1 million “Fringers”.

For more information about CAFF’s statistics and sponsorship opportunities and benefits, please don’t hesitate to contact us at:

Sponsorship Department
Canadian Association of Fringe® Festivals
344 Bloor St. West #507
Toronto, Ontario
M5S 3A7
CANADA

(416) 966-1062 phone

(416) 966-5072 fax

[email protected]



Maybe rabble.ca could sponsor the Fringe. If you know of other organizations or corporations who might like to sponsor, please let them know.


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posted 13 April 2006 05:50 PM      Profile for Critical Mass2        Edit/Delete Post
bump
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fukgentrification
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posted 18 April 2006 04:32 AM      Profile for fukgentrification        Edit/Delete Post
Welcome back after the long weekend...
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posted 19 April 2006 06:45 PM      Profile for fukgentrification        Edit/Delete Post
I just read in the MIRROR that they published the same letter that HOUR published last week, from Jay Lemieux of the other festival. What is this - a conspiracy to bring down the Fringe?
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posted 24 April 2006 11:34 PM      Profile for fukgentrification        Edit/Delete Post
Rumour has it that the festival will contine in the proper location, but will have to stop beer sales at 9 pm. This is a cultural disaster, and we need to put more pressure on the Mayor.
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posted 30 April 2006 04:36 PM      Profile for what'sleft?     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Okay, this is starting to get a little ridiculos. You posted the story, the story died down and you're still posting in this thread (and, by the looks of it, no where else on babble).

This thread looks more and more like an ad every day.


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fukgentrification
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posted 01 May 2006 02:58 PM      Profile for fukgentrification        Edit/Delete Post
An ad?! This is the Fringe we are talking about - not some sort of cleaning product!

Anyways, the saga continues:

quote:
The Fringe will return to Parc des Amériques, June 8-18.

Thanks to an outpouring of community support and articles in La Presse, Le Devoir, The Gazette, Hour and Mirror, talks were re-opened and a compromise has been reached. The 2006 St-Ambroise Montreal Fringe Festival’s free outdoor programming will continue at Parc des Amériques (corner of St-Laurent and Rachel) this June with some restrictions to operating hours.

When the outdoor site closes, Fringe fans will congregate at the brand new Fringe Club, located at the Academy Club, 4445 St-Laurent, one block north of the outdoor site. Open every night with free programming from 10pm to 3am: free concerts from 10pm to midnight, and the 13th Hour at 1am, the Fringe’s long-running live late night talk show where the guests are Fringe artists.

The Fringe Club will also be home to the Fringe’s Central Box Office where the public can buy tickets every day from noon to 11pm to any of the almost 600 Fringe performances.

“We thank everyone who took the time to send in a letter supporting the Fringe, and we thank Mme Fotopulos and her administration for taking the time to do right by this year’s Fringe,” adds Fringe GM Geoff Agombar.

“And we look forward to continued talks to find a permanent solution that will allow the Fringe to survive and thrive on the Plateau to the benefit and satisfaction of both the festival's fans and nearby residents,” adds Hechtman.

The 2006 St-Ambroise Montreal Fringe Festival will host approximately 90 companies, presenting a provocative mix of unique performances from international, Canadian and local artists. Not an event to be missed, come discover everything from burlesque, opera, puppets, and hip-hop to theatre, music, dance and, of course, Shakti!

– 30 –

For additional information, please contact:
Dominique Bourassa Brownes
Communications Director
Tel : (514) 849-FEST
Fax : (514) 849-5529
Email: [email protected]
www.montrealfringe.ca

(Friday, April 14) We are talking with the borough. The borough is making offers. Nothing is in writing, so keep those letters comin'. ---Geoff Agombar, GM

(Friday, March 31) Thank you to everyone who has sent letters to Mme Fotopulos and M. Prescott -- your voices are being heard. We’ll keep you posted on any developments via our website and next week’s Fringe Alumni mail-out.
A special thanks to those who thought to forward copies of your letters to Jeremy or myself. We can’t begin to express how touching it has been to read your descriptions of what the Fringe means for you and your community.
If you intend to send your thoughts on this matter to the borough administration and have not yet done so, I ever-so-gently encourage you do so over the weekend. ---Geoff Agombar, GM


source: http://www.montrealfringe.ca/heartbroken.html


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posted 10 May 2006 10:45 PM      Profile for fukgentrification        Edit/Delete Post
Less than a month to go before the Fringe!!!! I hope lots of you get out there to support the arts!
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fukgentrification
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posted 16 May 2006 01:27 AM      Profile for fukgentrification        Edit/Delete Post
Wanna sleep with Fringe artists?

Send your Billetting Offer Form to
[email protected]
Aimeriez-vous héberger
des artistes Fringe ?
Envoyez votre formulaire d'offre d'hébergement à [email protected]

http://montrealfringe.ca/


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posted 16 May 2006 07:30 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
For heaven's sake. We know about it already!
From: I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell. | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
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posted 16 May 2006 01:21 PM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Now, if I was a paranoid conspiracy theorist, I might think that someone from the "Other Festival" is pretending to be someone from the Fringe, for the purpose of making the Fringe's organizers seem like the same annoyingly wanky self-promoters that we already know the EnFringeMent cult members to be. So that "what'sleft" can then come in and say, "This thread looks more and more like an ad every day" (and something tells me "what'sleft" also knows a thing or two about starting threads that are essentially ads).

But fortunately, I am not a paranoid conspiracy theorist.


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posted 16 May 2006 01:27 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm pretty sure that's the case as well, especially considering that he spammed another thread with the infringement festival. I think we've had enough of this self-indulgent wanking. Find another forum to spam, dude.
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