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Tommy_Paine
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posted 12 April 2003 08:51 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"The old rocker wore his hair too long, and his trouser cuffs too tight...." Jethro Tull, "Too Old to Rock'n'Roll, too Young too Die"

I was over at my Pookie Kins the other day, and while admiring her rather ecclectic music library, came across a couple of "Creed" cd's.

I passed an anti-Creed comment on that, to which she shot back, "Well, at least my music is from this century."

Ouch, and touché.

The only current band I support by buying thier cd's is "The Tea Party." That may not exactly count as current, in that I view "The Tea Party" as a natural continuation of "English Electric Blues". While "The Tea Party" claims not be be Led Zepplin influenced, a discerning listener can detect a riff in "Sun Going Down" as being unmistakably lifted from the "Led Zepplin" cover of "In My Time of Dying."

Musically, I'd say "The Tea Party" are a better group of musicians than messers Page, Plant Bonham and Jones. (OH THE SACRILEGE!! There goes my seniors discount.) Although many have tried, I think "The Tea Party" the only band I've heard that have incorporated middle eastern influences, particularly in percussion into Pop Music.

But, as I said, "The Tea Party" is pretty retro, and may not really qualify as being "current" in that regard.

ANYWAY.................... I gots a disc person fer me birthday.

I am exploring my middle daughter's cd collection. "Gob" is okay, but it wears a bit thin over the duration of a whole cd. Good compilation material for the future.

BUT, she handed me a "White Stripes" cd. WOW. A two piece band. I don't have the liner notes, but apparently the guitarist is the ex husband of the drummer.

This stuff blows my mind. It's clearly different.

And now, because I'm listening to it even as I write this, I suddenly realize I'm way too cool for all of you.

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posted 12 April 2003 09:08 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Shakira also incorporates Middle Eastern musical influences into some of her music. "Eyes Like Yours" comes to mind.

As well, although it's not mainstream, there are lots of Middle Eastern pop artists who do dance music too, and it's got a really great "flavour" - very enjoyable.


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Tommy_Paine
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posted 12 April 2003 09:38 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I try real hard to listen to "Shakira" because she has a good voice and her version of pop/dance music is a bit better than the other drek. She's a musician. I wish she'd distance herself from what appears to me to be the sex contest in music video's.

I can hear why Spears has to sell her music with sex, but I find it tragic that Mariah Carey, who, like Celine Dion, has a voice ten times better than the songs she sings have to stoop to such tactics.

Shakira's superhuman ability in the hip shaking department really distracts proper attention to her musical talents.

I'll catch some of the videos from Pakistan and India when I'm aimlessly surfing. I love the intricate percussion and layered rythms, but I can't take the nasal vocals for more than a few minutes at a time.


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posted 12 April 2003 09:41 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I really like Shakira too, but part of the reason I like her is because of her dancing. I love the fact that she combines belly-dancing in her routines. She's a performer, not just a musician, and I think it adds a lot. It's true that belly-dancing is very sensuous - and that's what I love about it.
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posted 12 April 2003 09:51 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My daughters will tune into the music video's once and a while, mostly when they feature the new stuff, so I get to see them in passing. Plus, there's "Ed the Sock's Fromage" of the year that has become a Christmas/New Years tradition here.

Believe it or don't I find the whole sex thing in video's a bit much. Not that I find sex a bit much, I just resent having my buttons pushed the way they attempt.

In my mind, if I want to satiate a desire to see a woman in fetish gear, I'll buy a book or go to a web site devoted to it. And have. Somehow, it seems more honest and....well, wholesome that way.

Putting an adolescent like Spears in latex and having her moan "I'm a slave for you" and telling me it's about "music" strikes me as perverted; and having a mentally tenous Mariah Carey wear a handkerchief for a top while she palms her breasts was just way too sad to be entertainment on any level.


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posted 12 April 2003 02:28 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you want pop music you can listen to in your geezerhood without embarrassment, what you want is The New Pornographers. Better musicians than any others I'm aware of in the biz, and yet they're not mere technicians. Smart lyrics, smarter harmonies... ah, what's the use, I'm no rock critic. Go here for samples.
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posted 12 April 2003 05:09 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do you have anything that might fit someone who cut out about the time of the White Album?
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'lance
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posted 12 April 2003 05:13 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well you know, skdadl, you can hear something of the Beatles in the New Pornographers. Even the Beach Boys. They know their pop history, but without being mere pastiche artists.

But woddya mean, the White Album? I can see giving Let It Be a pass -- damn you Phil Spector, wherever you are -- but how could you have overlooked Abbey Road?

Or for that matter -- to switch to a very different kind of band -- Exile on Main Street, the best thing the Stones ever did and the point at which they should have hung it up?

Actually I can see why a person could have overlooked that. It sold what, 38 or 40 copies at the time.


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posted 12 April 2003 10:20 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Obviously, I was attracted by this thread title.

In principle, I agree with skdadl, although I have to allow that Abbey Road remains in the top 10 albums of the entire broad genre. As well, a pox on Phil Spector. (though it seems to be more than a pox that he'll be getting!)

Basically, things pretty much crapped out in the early '70s. There are some listenable types around. My son introduced me to Klaatu, and they seem to be nice enough chaps.


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posted 12 April 2003 10:25 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm so unhip when it comes to today's music. I finally found out two days ago who sings this one song I was hearing all the time on the radio because I was hanging out with a friend of mine who still listens to the top 40 stuff (and she's only three years younger than me!) but we didn't know the name of the song itself, just the singer. John Mayer. The same guy who sings the one song that I really hate, "Your body's an amusement park".

Sigh. So if the song I like is on the same album, I will have to pass it over on principle.


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posted 13 April 2003 11:48 PM      Profile for West Coast Lefty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've found some great (relatively) new bands who have a retro sound that harkens back to '60s and '70s rock. Weezer does incredibly melodic power-pop rock tunes, mostly under 3 minutes, basically Beach Boys/Kinks-like tunes with louder guitars and twisted lyrics. Treble Charger is a great Canadian band with wicked hooks and harmonies over '70s guitar sounds.

In a totally different style, the latest Pink album "Misdundaztood" is like a hybrid of Janis Joplin and Joni Mitchell over a funk beat. She's a terrific songwriter with a feminist message, a great singer and very easy on the eyes as well No Doubt is a great punk/reggae band with Gwen Stefani as the reincarnation of Debbie Harry from Blondie.

Of course, if you really want to go back in time to the Beatles, buy the first two Oasis albums ("Definitely Maybe" and "Morning Glory") to hear the best rock of the '90s, and possibly ever. I'm a huge Beatles fan but Noel Gallagher comes as close as anybody to equalling the glory days of the Fab Four.


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posted 13 April 2003 11:53 PM      Profile for Dr. Mr. Ben   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've been really digging a band called The Soundtrack of Our Lives. They're from Sweden and have a sort of later Beatles and Velvet Underground thing going on.
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posted 14 April 2003 12:53 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can barely follow this conversation. It started well, before losing me, with this:

quote:
While "The Tea Party" claims not be be Led Zepplin influenced, a discerning listener can detect a riff in "Sun Going Down" as being unmistakably lifted from the "Led Zepplin" cover of "In My Time of Dying."

Zep's version of the Josh White tune is my all time favourite rock song on my all time favourite rock album. John Henry Bonham was at the peak of his powers here. I've given instructions that the song is to be played at my funeral, as my body floats out to sea on a burning drakkar.

I dig "Rock and Roll" by the Boswell Sisters.


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posted 14 April 2003 01:17 AM      Profile for TommyPaineatWork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, my daughter is a big fan of "Weezer" too. It's funny, we've never had much of an interchange between our musical tastes, but in listening to what she likes, and doesn't like, I know the same "hooks" that appeal to me, appeal to her also.
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Yeah, I agree. Bonzo's drums just smoke on that track. Over the years, I've gotten to the point where I can air-drum the whole song perfectly, right down to the last drumroll and cymbal-smash.

Then there's the beginning of "When the Levee Breaks," where he sounds like the Mighty Thor hammering Mjolnir against the centre of the earth...


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TommyPaineatWork
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posted 14 April 2003 01:37 AM      Profile for TommyPaineatWork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, I slightly prefer "When the Levee Breaks" to "In My Time of Dying", but it's a near thing.

I really prefer my rock to have the precussion "up front", with lots of fills and the more complex a rythm, the better for me. I rather think the percussionist for "The Tea Party" about the best I've heard in a long time.

Funny though, the percussionist of "White Stripes" is as minimalist as they come. 16 tracks, and not one "fill".

And oddly, it works.


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posted 14 April 2003 01:57 AM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Been a fan of Eastern influenced pop myself.Since the early eighties....
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Sheila Chandra is wonderful, one of my favorite singers - i have all her cd's. I had the great pleasure of seeing her perform live in Toronto about 5 years ago at a prestigious world music festival (which has since folded due to government cutbacks).

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BTW, I own only ONE Creed CD, bought in a moment of impulse curiosity.
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posted 14 April 2003 09:19 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
new music for old geezers:

Thrush Hermit/Joel Plaskett True Patriot Love, and la la la la la
Sloan But if you think that it's cold when you're swimming in the ocean/It's hard to believe you're a Nova Scotian boy
Liz Phair Hey all you city fucks, it's a prairie man's world/It's wide open.
The Hives Find yourself another girl/One who loves you, true true true.
The Burning Brides (Lallafa made me add them, I don't know their stuff)
Beck I wanna get with you, only you, and your sister/I think her name's Deborah.
The Yeah Yeah Yeahs I'll rub that cheap black off your lips baby.
Neko Case but passion was her Sunday best and she fell away.
Cornershop Handcream for a generation.

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posted 14 April 2003 02:31 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
La chein noir reccomends:

the Libertines- "Up the Bracket":'70s Brit-punk (a la Clash, Vibrators) funnelled through the current retro-rock movement. Also drunk.

The Minus 5 and Wilco- "Down with Wilco": Spaced-out, Brian Wilson-esqe pop ditties with a smirk and a wink.

Supergrass- "Life on Other Planets": Fun, fun, fun glammy rock goodness. Do you like T-Rex? No? What the hell's wrong with you?

The Streets- "Original Pirate Material": British slacker hip-hop poetry set to garage beats. Sex, drugs and on the dole. Guy says "geezers" a lot.


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posted 14 April 2003 04:47 PM      Profile for Section 49     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How 'bout Pulp, "Help the Aged":

Help the aged,
One time they were just like you,
drinking, smoking cigs and sniffing glue.
Help the aged,
don't just put them in a home,
Can't have much fun in there all on their own.
Give a hand, if you can,
try and help them to unwind.
Give them hope & give them comfort
'cos they're running out of time.

Really, one of the best (most satisfyingly viscious) break-up songs ever.


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audra trower williams
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posted 14 April 2003 05:00 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
YES. Pulp.
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posted 14 April 2003 05:07 PM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You guys need to get yourselves the new Matt Good.
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posted 15 April 2003 02:28 AM      Profile for TommyPaineatWork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh yes, I was trying to think of the name of the other band my daughter and I both like, and couldn't last night.

It was "The Hives"


quote:

BTW, I own only ONE Creed CD, bought in a moment of impulse curiosity.

Well, your collection is amazingly ecclectic, and way more sophisticated than I could ever lay claim to, anyway.

I'll be a while catching up. Besides, it's just ONE Creed cd. Nothing like the four AC/DC vinyl's stashed at the back of a closet at my place..........

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My collection is so ecclectic because I once had the great good fortune to know a number of people who knew much more about really good music than I can ever hope to. But I really do like music of pretty much every genre, I just don't have time to listen to much of it anymore.
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posted 15 April 2003 07:56 PM      Profile for BleedingHeart   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Saw Springsteen at Edmonton last night. Fantastic.

Well worth the $125 ticket, waiting outside in the cold rain and standing for an hour waiting for the concert to start.


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Glad you enjoyed yourself.

Me, I don't care who it is, there's no fucking way on earth I'd pay $125 to stand in the rain and then wait around for an hour until some rock diva decides to show up and play a few songs.


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Right now I'm listening to godspeed you! black emperor. They're pretty good, kinda Pink Floydish. Apparently you can only get their albums at their concerts.
They do provide a lot of MP3s on their site though.

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posted 07 May 2003 11:59 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i've bought their CD's, new, at indie stores before.
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audra trower williams
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posted 10 May 2003 08:44 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The two polar music opposites I have been listening to obsessively are as follows:

Kimya Dawson, that's an .mp3 a pretty little song called Heroes, about Michael Jackson and PeeWee Herman.

McLusky, that's an .mp3 of a very rocking song called Lightsabre Cocksucking Blues.


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Rush. Vapour Trails is an awesome album. It has all the elements of classic rock and roll yet they don't repeat old hash. It has a progressive and listenable sound and feel.

quote:
Me, I don't care who it is, there's no fucking way on earth I'd pay $125 to stand in the rain and then wait around for an hour until some rock diva decides to show up and play a few songs.

I paid $13.50 to see (the real) Van Halen at the Montreal Forum in 1984. That was worth every penny. The going rate in the late 80's for arena heavy metal bands was $15.00 to $22.00. Life seemed so much more simple then.

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gee, i'm glad that audra mentioned liz phair. i'd take "exile in guyville" to a desert island.

and hey, never mind what we're recommending, do some listening!

triple j radio in australia is interesting. they must play 35% australian content.

the BBC website is a treasure trove of info.

they have constantly updated lists of "global top 10's" from various underground labels and cities. bbc radio 3 is v.underrated. the bbc's latest big thing is digital radio stations: 6music and 1xtra are worth a look.


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Let's not forget XTC. When it comes to Beatles-esque pop, they are great. As Mr. J.W. Harding tells us:

And finally the record hits the shelves
Amd it's called "The Beatles - From Ourselves"
And for anyone who didn't know
Well, it sounded quite a lot like ELO
Or ELP or FYC or R.E.M. or XTC
It sounded a lot like XTC

["When the Beatles Hit America"]

I'm into a genre that has the rather unfortunate title of "Downtempo". Having bought my first "downtempo" album, I listened to it and realized that "downtempo" is in fact a new cool way of saying "easy listening". So I took it home and played it for my mother, who is days away from officially becoming a senior, and she liked quite a bit of it! Ack!


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