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Geneva
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posted 30 December 2007 12:18 PM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
the NHL is really cranking the hype machine for the outdoor game at Buffalo (vs Penguins) on New Year's Day:
http://www.nhl.com/winterclassic/index.html

national TV broadcast in the States (NBC), big-time broadcaster (Bob Costas), prime-time on national holiday vs all the Bowl games ...

does it all add up; or is it just a lark - a pro hockey game played outdoors ???

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I like the outdoor games. For pretty much anyone who has ever played the game, the memories of playing outside are among the best. Unstructured, chaotic ('Time out! The puck went in the snowbank!) and fun.

And you can tell that the players feel the same way.


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posted 01 January 2008 04:07 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
the weather in Buffalo seems to be behaving:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/nhl/

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posted 01 January 2008 04:54 AM      Profile for rural - Francesca   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remember watching the outdoor game in Edmonton on TV. It just seemed like everyone was having a lot of fun, and freezing.

I think this is one of those things if you like hockey, this is fun, if you don't, it seems over blown.

Personally I enjoy International hockey more than NHL hockey (or any hockey I don't have to listen to Don Cherry) but my son loves his Leafs (his 21 and doesn't know any better), so I listen as he coaches from the couch and assure him that yes if I won the lottery we'd have a condo downtown and season tickets.


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I think you're right, it's a lot of hype, but at the same time I think there is something very charming about the idea. As cliche Canadian as it sound, it kind of brings us back to how the game is meant to be played.
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yea, sounds fun
... just wondered if it will draw that many people today for TV in the States

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posted 01 January 2008 09:20 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
74,000 people for a hockey game is probably a record. (Edited to correct the number.)

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posted 01 January 2008 09:22 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Irish tenor, scheduled to sing God Bless America the US national anthem, is already using the opportunity to blather on about "our troops" in Afghanistan. I expect more of the same shit from Don Cherry.

The event has already been marred. Well, that didn't last very long.

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Yeah, well, over at CNN today they are covering thecandidates for the Iowa Caucus, and even the Republican candidates are talking about what a disaster Iraq was and is.

I think the outdoor games are probably one of the few great ideas the NHL has had...perhaps ever.

It appeals to the purists, and it appeals, as a novelty, to perhaps a new audience. More importantly, it allows many many many many more people to actually see a hockey game. Cheaper seats means more kids come to see, and the kids grow up to be fans spending bigger bucks.

And, I'm guessing, it adds more revenue for the teams.


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What the connection is between a hockey game and war in another country is anybody's guess. Maybe the government of the US paid some portion of the expenses and expected their "free" advertising. Supplemental: The United States Marine Corps (USMC) is one of the advertisers on the NBC broadcast. So there you have it.

The nosebleed tickets were $100 a pop according to the CBC. Let's see now ... $100 x 70,000 works out to about 7 million. Add another 30% for more expensive tickets and that's around a cool 10 million. Then there's the TV advertising and revenue. Ka-ching! Ka-ching!

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posted 01 January 2008 10:31 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
looking good, w. Penguins winning:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/nhl/

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posted 02 January 2008 01:14 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
a huge success:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/sports/hockey/02hockey.html?ref=sports

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. — With more than 71,000 fans filling a football stadium that at times resembled a snow globe, the N.H.L. had a storybook setting for its outdoor game Tuesday between the Buffalo Sabres and the Pittsburgh Penguins. And with the winning goal coming off the stick of the Penguins star Sidney Crosby in a shootout, the league could not have scripted a more satisfying ending.

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It would have been better if they had kept the ads off the boards.
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posted 02 January 2008 06:40 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ha. The League couldn't have scripted a more satisfying ending to the game than a SHOOTOUT?

Well, I guess that would depend on who you ask!


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posted 02 January 2008 06:47 AM      Profile for rural - Francesca   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If memory serves, the colours on the boards help the players see the boards, other wise it all blends and they get hurt.
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Ads on the boards have nothing to do with the players' safety - it's revenue generation first, last and always. The ads weren't there at all before (I believe it was) the late eighties/early nineties and those players managed to find their way around the ice okay without running into the fence.

I too stared slack-jawed as Ronan Tynan blathered on with his paean to imperialism - in fact his flowery Irish-accented prose dedicated to the glory of our troops fighting and killing for peace made Don Cherry look like a raving moderate on the subject. Defending our freedoms indeed. Bah! Didn't even hear him sing - I was gone before he drew his next breath.

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Maybe the operative word here is 'scripted'...I've had my suspicions, but it could be the meds.
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posted 02 January 2008 09:58 AM      Profile for rural - Francesca   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
oh I don't disagree they make a lot of money off them, but something is twigging somewhere that someone, said something (I think I need to look up the definition of 'vague') about it helping see the boards coming.
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Trust me. For the bulk of its long life the NHL has featured boards whiter and more unsullied than the ice surface itself. The colourful ads are neither help nor hindrance to those playing the game. In fact, when the commercial content first began appearing, goalies complained that from certain angles they sometimes couldn't pick up the puck coming out of the non-white backgrounds until it was too late to stop it. They were able to adjust and cope of course. Maybe that's why they retaliated with the oversize equipment. Strictly self defense.
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posted 02 January 2008 02:18 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For whatever reason, most of the announcers that I listen to speak of "the wall" instead of "the boards". I don't know why that is.

Boards or the wall, whatever it's called, lose their unblemished appearance pretty quickly I expect. A few slapshots and you've got those telltale black smears all over the place. Heck! I've got a few in my living room. Doesn't everyone?


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As kids we just about vulcanized the walls of the parental units' basement. And yes, it was of the 'unfinished' variety. We were hockey crazed, not suicidal.
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quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
A few slapshots and you've got those telltale black smears all over the place. Heck! I've got a few in my living room. Doesn't everyone?

No? My god man, what kind of deprived childhood did you suffer?

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Not wanting to start another hockey thread, I'll just note that Canada, this time the Junior Men, have given the Merricans another richly deserved thumping at the World Junior Championship. Final score: 4-1.

OK. I don't know why it would be richly deserved ... but I like trash talking the Merricans anyway.

The US will play the Russians in the bronze medal game and Canada will play the Swedes for the gold - both games tomorrow.


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Yep been glued to TSN at our house all day.

Great game.

When we were up 3-0 you could see the Canadian team just relax and play, and then 5 seconds later we scored again, and for a few moments you can see the 'kid' in these young men, just the absolute joy of playing the game.

Apparently today had the single most absentees from work of any day of the year, over a 100 000 took the day off, due to illness!


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quote:
Originally posted by rural - Francesca:
oh I don't disagree they make a lot of money off them, but something is twigging somewhere that someone, said something (I think I need to look up the definition of 'vague') about it helping see the boards coming.

I don't doubt that having an offsetting color/design on the boards to indicate a separation between the boards and the white ice would be helpful. But, ads are not the exclusive way to do that.

The ads were there for one reason: To generate revenue—and I have no qualm with that. Besides, the players, under the new CBA, get a share of that additional revenue. Any secondary benefits of boards plastered with ads are just that: Secondary.


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I think goalies were the ones complaining about multicoloured boards. They could follow the flight path of a black rubber puck cannonading toward them at speeds of 160km/hr as long as it was against the backdrop of a neutral colour, like white ice blending in with white end boards.
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Although the baseboards and top rail have always been a colour other than white. In the NHL, what those colours were would depend on the team that played its home games at that arena. Community rinks would just pick a couple - probably whatever was on sale.

In the old, old days - before TV - the ice wasn't painted at all. I wonder what we'd say if confronted with that now? I'm bettin' it would make it pretty hard to see the puck.


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posted 05 January 2008 12:38 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Despite considerable adversity, the Canadian Juniors managed to win the Gold medal anyway, in overtime. (Whew.) The game was a nail biter in which the Swedes came back from 2-0 to tie the game in the last minute of regulation time.
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I'm still shaking!!

What a great game, the Swedes deserve to be such a serious threat, but I'm glad we won.


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Once again a Canadian Gold medal was accompanied by their goaltender getting the award for Most Valuable Player (or whatever it's called) as well. I think this is the fourth time for that. Junior Steve Mason, who won the award, was traded from the London Knights to the Kitchener Rangers during the tournament that just ended and will likely be playing in the Memorial Cup as a member of the host city team later this spring. He has already been drafted by the Columbus Blue Jackets Buffalo Sabres in the NHL.

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Struggling Arena Football League To Hold Game Outdoors

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NEW YORK—In an attempt to invigorate interest in what many see as a niche or novelty sport and thereby broaden their fanbase, Arena Football League Commissioner David Baker announced last Saturday that the March 17 contest between the Colorado Crush and the Dallas Desperados will be held at an outdoor facility. "Once again, the Arena League is on the cutting edge of sport with its newest innovation—football played on an outdoor field with a natural grass surface," said Baker, adding that he hopes the game being broadcast on ESPN2 will raise public awareness for the league. "This is the way arena football was meant to be played." Since they went on sale Monday, a total of three tickets have been sold for the game.

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If you play arena football outside, isn't it just... football?
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You'll find yourself saying that kind of thing after reading many articles from The Onion.
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