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Topic: Is this racist??
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cooljazzcafe
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posted 25 June 2004 10:55 PM
I am a member of a number of online groups. The moderator of one business group posted a joke with an aboriginal character. I thought it was racist and pointed that out. Anyway, here is the thread of the posts. I've now been permanently banned from this group because of my response.Denise ______________ Alan, Why don't you let an aboriginal person decide whether the caracature is racist or not. You are in no position to do so, Filipino or not. Your life experience is not the life experience of a Native American. You have no special insight into their lives.Tthe term "Me want coffee" is traditionally a caracature of aboriginal speech, NOT that of Filipinos or whites. Any American or Canadian will recognize the phrase as a way to ridicule Indians, it's a phrase that thankfully has died out over here. As for me...you can just call me Denise. I'm a woman.....a black woman. Denise
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan D. R.de Luzuriaga"
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:17:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MasterEntrepreneurs] Humor and Racism in the proper perspective.> Mr. Whalen,
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> Let us put humor and racism in its proper perspective.
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> Where is the caricature? In speaking "Me want coffee?" In carrying buffalo manure? The character
could be a Third worlder Filipino like me, or a white American , and it would not make any
difference. The nationality or race of the character was not demeaned or ridiculed.
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> The humor was in the reference to the training for a management position - very apt for a
discussion group for Entrepreneurs.
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> What has no place in any forum are accusations of crudeness and racism. Or maybe I should be
explaining this to someone with a sense of humor. Not with someone who has a fixation on moral
superiority.
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> Alan >
> "D.E. Whalen" wrote:
> This outdated caricature of aboriginal people is crude and racist and has no place in a business
forum.
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> D.E. Whalen
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan D. R.de Luzuriaga"
> To: [email protected], EGroup-SOLE
> Sent: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 01:24:14 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: [MasterEntrepreneurs] The Red Indian and His Bucket of Buffalo Manure
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> > " > > An Indian walks into a cafe with a shotgun in one
> > > > hand
> > > > and a bucket of buffalo manure in the other. He
> > > > says
> > > > to the waiter," Me want coffee.
> > > > "The waiter says, "Sure chief, coming right up."
> > > > He gets the Indian a tall mug of coffee, and the
> > > > Indian drinks it down in one gulp, picks up the
> > > > bucket
> > > > of manure, throws it into the air, blasts it with
> > > > the
> > > > shotgun, then just walks out.
> > > > The next morning the Indian returns. He has his
> > > > shotgun in one hand and a bucket of buffalo manure
> > > > in
> > > > the other. He walks up to the counter and says to
> > > > the
> > > > waiter, "Me want coffee."
> > > > The waiter says, "Whoa, Tonto! We're still cleaning
> > > > up
> > > > your mess from yesterday. What the heck was all that
> > > > about, anyway?"
> > > > The Indian smiles and proudly says, "Me training for
> > > > upper management position: Come in, drink coffee,
> > > > shoot shit, leave mess for others to clean up,
> > > > disappear for rest of day."
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robbie_dee
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posted 25 June 2004 11:24 PM
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I've now been permanently banned from this group because of my response.Denise
I also agree that the joke is racist. Is "Alan Luzuriaga" the moderator who banned you, Denise? Maybe you should find a less ignorant group of e-friends to hang around with. I actually found the punchline of the joke rather funny. The thing is that the racist characature of the native person is totally irrelevant to it. It's actually a distraction. [ 25 June 2004: Message edited by: robbie_dee ]
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Wilf Day
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posted 26 June 2004 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by cooljazzcafe:
I also didn't think the Indian character was necessary.
Unnecessary? Wow, you're way more polite than I would have been. quote:
The Indian smiles and proudly says . . .
This is blatant, crude racism of a kind that should get a manager fired.
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wei-chi
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posted 26 June 2004 12:08 AM
I agree.I think this is because it portraits a specific ethnic group as, well, stupid I guess. I've heard this joke somewhere else with a different ethnic type. The description of management is funny though. Perhaps you could replace the native person with say, a mailroom clerk or something. Or a business college student.
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