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Topic: "Holy Grail" of antiquity deciphered
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bittersweet
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posted 18 April 2005 01:03 AM
quote: ...in a breakthrough described as the classical equivalent of finding the holy grail, Oxford University scientists have employed infra-red technology to open up the hoard, known as the Oxyrhynchus Papyri, and with it the prospect that hundreds of lost Greek comedies, tragedies and epic poems will soon be revealed.In the past four days alone, Oxford's classicists have used it to make a series of astonishing discoveries, including writing by Sophocles, Euripides, Hesiod and other literary giants of the ancient world, lost for millennia. They even believe they are likely to find lost Christian gospels, the originals of which were written around the time of the earliest books of the New Testament. *snip* The previously unknown texts, read for the first time last week, include parts of a long-lost tragedy - the Epigonoi ("Progeny") by the 5th-century BC Greek playwright Sophocles; part of a lost novel by the 2nd-century Greek writer Lucian; unknown material by Euripides; mythological poetry by the 1st-century BC Greek poet Parthenios; work by the 7th-century BC poet Hesiod; and an epic poem by Archilochos, a 7th-century successor of Homer, describing events leading up to the Trojan War. Additional material from Hesiod, Euripides and Sophocles almost certainly await discovery.
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Surferosad
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posted 18 April 2005 01:45 AM
Uhhh, this is not "news"... They've been gradually publishing these texts since the 1930s. On average, they publish one complete text a year.check this web page: http://oxyrhynchus.biography.ms/ Damn newspapers and their stupid sensationalism!
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aRoused
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posted 18 April 2005 08:51 AM
I'm curious to know how they can take a couple of words or a couple of sentences from a fragment and somehow 'know' it's Aeschylus or what have you.The infra-red thing uses the difference in reflection between ink and papyrus under IR light to reveal more letters and words than otherwise might be visible. They tried it a few years back on the Dead Sea Scrolls to great effect, both finding new characters in damaged areas and also being able to confirm the nature of some less-certain characters (on the level of 'is that a j or a messy i?'). Edit: Reassemble your own papyrus fragments [ 18 April 2005: Message edited by: aRoused ]
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skdadl
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posted 18 April 2005 10:09 AM
Well, on the one hand, Surferosad and aRoused, I'm grateful for any context that specialists can give us. But it is hard to read all those distinguished specialists quoted in the Independent article and not think that something special has happened. I'm not a classics scholar although I've worked with some, and I have a teensy notion of how much it would mean to them to have Archilochos to read. Theories about Homer (and how those works got written, over how long a time, by how many) are rich and various, and any new data added to the discussions could send them in new directions. So I'm tempted to say Hallelujah! anyway. And I really want to read Lucian's novel.
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bittersweet
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posted 18 April 2005 11:52 AM
As for sensationalism: "But only a small proportion have been read so far. Many were illegible...Professor Richard Janko, a leading British scholar, formerly of University College London, now head of classics at the University of Michigan, said: "Normally we are lucky to get one such find per decade." "The Oxyrhynchus collection is of unparalleled importance - especially now that it can be read fully and relatively quickly," said the Oxford academic directing the research, Dr Dirk Obbink.As for how they "somehow know" who wrote what: "The fragments form part of a giant "jigsaw puzzle" to be reassembled. Missing "pieces" can be supplied from quotations by later authors, and grammatical analysis." In other words, with this relatively rapid expansion, the puzzle's pieces will get larger, faster.
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jeff house
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posted 18 April 2005 06:58 PM
quote: I'm curious to know how they can take a couple of words or a couple of sentences from a fragment and somehow 'know' it's Aeschylus or what have you.
One way may be that there do exist lists of plays by Aeschylus, plays which had been lost. I believe he won the Olympic play writing contest several times with plays now unknown. There also exist numerous references to the lost plays, including character names and even snatches of dialogue. So, this sounds pretty good.
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