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Cueball
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posted 14 April 2004 08:11 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
WHY ARE WE AGAINST THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT AND ITS WARS?

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Thus, ultimate heresy of Zionism, its denial of Divine providence over history was inevitable outgrowth of an overall rejection of G-d and Torah which typified the movement’s founders, The Subsequent history of this bizarre ideology has been a ceaseless record of overt anti-Torah acts. Included in this sorry record are indiscriminate and coerced autopsies, mass desecration of cemeteries, conscription of women into the army and recent efforts to lure Rabbinical seminarians into the armed forces.

The Central Rabbinical Congress of the U.S.A. & Canada


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charlessumner
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posted 14 April 2004 12:06 PM      Profile for charlessumner     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This would make more sense in the Middle East forum, surely?
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Udo
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posted 14 April 2004 01:07 PM      Profile for Udo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yes but Cue seems set on engaging in Anti-Israel rhetoric wherever and when ever he can.
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Briguy
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posted 14 April 2004 01:09 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Having no counter-argument is no reason to get huffy.
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Coyote
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posted 14 April 2004 01:44 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Sarcasmobri:
Having no counter-argument is no reason to get huffy.

Oh, but it is.

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josh
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posted 14 April 2004 02:20 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
These are the ultra-orthodox anti-Zionists, who believe a state of Israel must await the coming of the messiah. While they are certainly entitled to their beliefs, I don't happen to share it. My opposition to Zionism is strictly based on secular concerns, involving democratic secularism and pluralism. Also I think it was a geopolitical error to place what would inevitably be viewed as a western colony in the heart of the Arab world. The instability resulting from the establishment of what was essentially a European state in the heart of the middle east are plain for all to see.
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al-Qa'bong
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posted 14 April 2004 02:52 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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The so-called normalization of the Jew was a tragic illusion from the start. But when this normalization is expected to flourish in the very heart of Islam, it is worse than tragic-it is suicidal. Horrendous as Hitler was for us, he lasted a mere twelve years, and what is twelve years to the Jew? The time has come to return to Europe that was for centuries, and remains to this day, the most authentic Jewish homeland there has ever been, the birthplace of rabbinic Judaism, Hasidic Judaism, Jewish secularism, socialism-and on and on. The birthplace, of course, of Zionism too. But Zionism has outlived its historical function. The time has come to renew in the European diaspora our preeminent spiritual and cultural role.

In Praise of Diasporism, or, Three Cheers for Irving Berlin


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lagatta
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posted 14 April 2004 03:11 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Wonderful article, al Q'bong. I've forwarded it to several "self-hating" friends and a couple of fellow "anti-semites" (the latter in the same vein as my hating Italy and black cats...).

What the Nation article calls for is happening, not so much in Poland as in Germany. That REALLY pisses off both anti-semitic neo-Nazis and hard-arsed Zionists... The Jewish community in Germany is the fastest-growing in the world. Mostly from the former Soviet Union and other Eastern European countries, but even some former Israelis, the grandchildren of persecuted German Jews, or Jewish Germans ...

Jews return to Germany

By the way, I agree with Josh. It is perhaps interesting that some highly-orthodox Jews oppose Israel, but I have nothing in common with religious fundamentalists of any sort. Much prefer the secular arguments put forth by al Q'bongs article.


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Michelle
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posted 14 April 2004 03:47 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Moving this to the Middle East forum.
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