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margrace
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posted 10 February 2006 09:40 AM
Yep Reality Bites thats what I have always been told "Children should be seen and not heard" and as I grew into adulthood it became "Women should be seen and not heard". How else can one express an opinon if one is not allowed to say anything.Our school systems have been based on this for years. The teacher is always right, big punishement for those who bucked the system. Never talk politics or religion. With the above opinions then we wonder why some of our young people never vote.
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Reality. Bites.
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posted 10 February 2006 09:42 AM
You'd be shocked at how quickly most fell in line. Those who object are now being lectured by others on their disloyalty and how they are damaging the party.Reformers who support Harper are people who've already given up on Senate Reform, referendums, recall, abortion, bilingualism, immigration, suppressing native rights, etc. What remains is pure desire for having power at the expense of the Liberals. Like a dog who finally caught a car, they have no idea what to do with it, but know they want it.
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Reality. Bites.
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posted 10 February 2006 09:44 AM
Margrace it has nothing to do with being seen and heard. By all means express your opinion. Write a letter, phone a call-in show, start a blog, stand on a street corner with a megaphone.Internet polls are not expressing an opinion, because no one who matters pays even the slightest attention to them.
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Michael Watkins
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posted 10 February 2006 11:02 AM
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Should David Emerson resign his seat and run as a Conservative in a by-election?Yes 7687 votes (77%)
No 2292 votes (23%)
Total votes: 9979
True, no one who matters pays attention to them (internet polls), but what is interesting is the consistency - of the three questions related to Emerson and Fortier appointments posed by the Globe and Mail this week, all three express 75% or greater opposition to what Harper has done. Cool. A professional poll with perhaps more impact (because you can be sure that it'll be presented to the CPC) is being completed today. Vancouver area (and perhaps national) viewers this evening will see the results of a Vancouver Kingsway poll funded by CTV. Probably on the 6pm news locally. Maybe Count Floyd will also have it on CTV national news.
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Mike N
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posted 10 February 2006 11:42 AM
CKNW Radio Vancouver poll results so far on the same question "Should David Emerson resign his seat?" :Yes 77.43%
No 22.59%
Total Votes 3784
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asterlake
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posted 10 February 2006 01:12 PM
At work yesterday someone asked if Harper was PM yet and nobody was sure but me. After the over-saturation of politics during an election, 99% of Canadians turn off and the remaining 1% get over excited to the point of blathering. Nobody other than the 1% in the country could name Emerson or any other member of the Cabinet....let alone give a hoot.
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Michael Watkins
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posted 10 February 2006 02:51 PM
asterlake: I can assure you that very few people in Vancouver are unaware of what is going on.The media are certainly doing their part to keep the issue alive. On Bill Good's show just now I was deep in the line up for callers and told I might not make it on; when I mentioned I was in Vancouver Kingsway, I was put to the front of the line and was the last caller before the top of the hour news. Emerson and Harper did this to themselves and deserve every bit of attention, however negative. Will the controversy and protest serve some public good eventually? Most likely not, but its important to try. The only ones that really don't care either way are the "it aint broke if *we* have the power" folks. No doubt you know what I mean.
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Captain Obvious
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posted 10 February 2006 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by asterlake:
At work yesterday someone asked if Harper was PM yet and nobody was sure but me. After the over-saturation of politics during an election, 99% of Canadians turn off and the remaining 1% get over excited to the point of blathering. Nobody other than the 1% in the country could name Emerson or any other member of the Cabinet....let alone give a hoot.
My students knew the story on this, and they're disengaged 2nd year university students. They knew about fortier too, and wanted to have a discussion on whether it was all legal or not. *shrug* Maybe they're just looking to impress me seeing as I know I like politics, but enough of them knew the story that I figured they'd been following along.
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JustSayNo
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posted 10 February 2006 03:39 PM
It makes no difference what the numbers are as far as calling for Emerson to step down - it ain't gonna happen.
Canadians were sick and tired of Liberal arrogance and corruption. Some chose to "believe" the CPC's lies about integrity and new political directions - hoping...hoping...it just might be true. Other Canadians, like Albertans for example, don't give a sh** about integrity or new directions, they just want government that represents big business, big money and/or social conservatism (cowboy conservatism - and not the Brokeback Mountain kind).
I don't think the rednecks care if the CPC is as corrupt as the Liberals - and they are going to be - as long as they represent tough on crime, tough on gays, tough on abortion, good for business, tough on those shiftless, slimy poor folks, health care to the highest bidder, and low taxes for the wealthy. In other words, every man for himself.
So David Emerson is as "at home" amongst the CPCers as he could be. Harper has shown his true nature right off the bat. And anyone with any hope of idealism in politics (poor Mr. Turner) can go kiss a tree.
The only way Vancouver-Kingsway will be rid of David Emerson is in the next federal election, may it come soon.
BTW - hello, MARGRACE. It's good to know you're around!!! (Kaidsmom)
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S1m0n
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posted 10 February 2006 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by JustSayNo:
It makes no difference what the numbers are as far as calling for Emerson to step down - it ain't gonna happen.
Yes, it will. If this outrage persists over the weekend, Emerson has reached the end of his political career. No one needs that large a political liability in cabinet, and if Emerson has blown his credibility, he's useless to everyone.
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island empire
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posted 10 February 2006 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by S1m0n:
Yes, it will. If this outrage persists over the weekend, Emerson has reached the end of his political career. No one needs that large a political liability in cabinet, and if Emerson has blown his credibility, he's useless to everyone.
well to everyone but the liberals, ndp and the separatists. and i disagree that he'll step down. if that were to happen, it would be an invitation to get fortier out too, then the media would move to o'connor, and eventually end on toews. as such, i think harper's going to have to stick with him... at least in the short term. that said, i'm still amazed that harper bungled all of this so badly. i'm just amazed.
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S1m0n
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posted 10 February 2006 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by dazzle me:
and i disagree that he'll step down. if that were to happen, it would be an invitation to get fortier out too, then the media would move to o'connor, and eventually end on toews. as such, i think harper's going to have to stick with him... at least in the short term.
There's no fury in quebec over fortier--that's the kind of politics they LIKE in Quebec--and there's not enough anger at the other appointments. Only Emerson raises the same outrage.
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siren
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posted 10 February 2006 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Stockholm:
New name for David Emerson:Stephen Harper's Harriet Miers!
Perhaps, but only committed political junkies (whomever they might be  ) would catch that reference. There is also the frankly worrying fact that the defeat of Miers ushered in the utterly despicable Alito. The movement against Emerson is good and might even be teaching little Stevie a lesson about respecting the electorate. However, the problem is bigger than that. It is Fortier too and O'Connor and Flaherty and Clement .... it is the fact that this entire cabinet is a slap in the face to moderate Canadians. I am suspicious and agree with Chantal Hebert who pointed out that one of the benefits of the Emerson dust up is that nobody is talking about the fact that this is the most right wing cabinet Canada has seen. [ 10 February 2006: Message edited by: siren ]
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S1m0n
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posted 10 February 2006 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by Albireo:
I'd be very surprised if you speak for Quebeckers.
I'm half quebecois and I've lived the bulk of my adult life in quebec, although I moved away a few years ago. However, I'm not speaking for Quebec, which is why I phrased my comments in the second person. But prove me wrong, if you like: where's the outrage in Quebec that Harper has installed a regional minister for patronage? I'll remind you that previous holders of that office include LaPierre, Gagliano, Bouchard, LaSalle, Chretien, etc., - every government has had someone in this role. It's a necessary one in Quebec federal politics.
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Captain Obvious
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posted 10 February 2006 06:17 PM
I don't think there is the same level of outrage over Fortier generally as Emerson. Not to say that anyone is happy about it, but it's a lot easier to get mad over voting for one party and finding out their candidate has suddenly gone over to the dark side.I'd be more curious if Quebecois are pissed off about Ted Menzies' appointment as parliamentary secretary for la Francophonie and Official Languages Minister Josee Verner. Menzies, apparently, can't speak French. New parliamentary secretary to Francophonie can't speak French
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S1m0n
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posted 11 February 2006 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by Boom Boom:
Maybe the hardcore Parliament-watchers here can answer the question: is there any realistic way the newly-elected government could fall before the House re-convenes in April?
The GG could fire the government, I suppose. She has that power.
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