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With its towering dinosaurs and a model of the Grand Canyon, America's newest tourist attraction might look like the ideal destination for fans of the film Jurassic Park.

The new multi-million-dollar Museum of Creation, which will open this spring in Kentucky, will, however, be aimed not at film buffs, but at the growing ranks of fundamentalist Christians in the United States.

. . .More controversial exhibits deal with diseases and famine, which are portrayed not as random disasters, but as the result of mankind's sin. Mr Ham's Answers in Genesis movement blames the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado, in which two teenagers killed 12 classmates and a teacher before killing themselves, on evolutionist teaching, claiming that the perpetrators believed in Darwin's survival of the fittest.

Other exhibits in the museum will blame homosexuals for Aids. In a "Bible Authority Room" visitors are warned: "Everyone who rejects his history – including six-day creation and Noah's flood – is `wilfully' ignorant.''

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Mr Ham is particularly proud of a planned reconstruction of the interior of Noah's Ark. "You will hear the water lapping, feel the Ark rocking and perhaps even hear people outside screaming," he said.

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I am a bit encouraged to see this report appear in the Telegraph, normally a right-wing rag. But clearly, there are limits to how much foolishness even a right-wing Brit can tolerate from American extremist

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Given the vogue for sociobiology that is promient in certain right-wing circles, it doesn't surprise me that some of them would view creationism as a threat. I recall similar anti-creationism editorials appearing in the NATIONAL POST a few years back, in the days when they still had an entire column written by someone whose title was "professor of evolutionary psychology" or something like that.

Of course there was some paryers said for the tsunami victims ... how did it go again? Oh yeah, "Oh lord please hear our prayers for the dearly departed, especially for William R. MacDougall and the Asian tsunami victims" ... how touching they had an opportunity to include the tsunami victims somewhere in their prayer ... oh,and of course, these prayers came way down the list; at the head of the list, after the Pope and the Bishop, was a prayer for our MP to find the wisdom to vote his conscience in regards to SSM.

I went there to say a prayer for the tsunami victims, but I think I picked the wrong place to try and get in touch with the "spirtual" side ... I was fuming by the time I got out of that house of miguided hate.

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. . .More controversial exhibits deal with diseases and famine, which are portrayed not as random disasters, but as the result of mankind's sin.

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(Did I just really write 'victims of God's justice'? Me, an atheist? Naw....)

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Originally posted by Michelle:
Good Lord.

I went, for the first time, to the Unitarian congregation here in Toronto this morning. I think you would have found their meditations and/or prayers (depending on whether you're the meditation or praying kind) for the victims of the tsunami more to your liking, No Yards.

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Yeah, that's along the lines of what I was thinking ... "I'm going to have to find a church that puts compasion ahead of dogma"!

Oh, I forgot to mention that at the end of mass they did make another announcemnet concerning the victims ... that the parishioners could donate through three way; to the parish itself; or by credit phoning "Project Life"; or through Project Life's secure web site. Project Life of course has nothing to do with foriegn aid, but is the Catholic pro life organization; assholes can't be bothered enough to do any special prayers for the tsunami victims, but sure as hell don't mind using them as a ploy to get people to donate to their fucking anit-women causes!

I also believe that during the prayers the floor is open to anyone who would like to offer a direct prayer about anyone. I'm not a member of the RC church but that's been my experience.

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Originally posted by No Yards
I went there to say a prayer for the tsunami victims, but I think I picked the wrong place to try and get in touch with the "spirtual" side ... I was fuming by the time I got out of that house of miguided hate.

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Originally posted by Michelle
I went, for the first time, to the Unitarian congregation here in Toronto this morning. I think you would have found their meditations and/or prayers (depending on whether you're the meditation or praying kind) for the victims of the tsunami more to your liking, No Yards.

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Originally posted by No Yards
Yeah, that's along the lines of what I was thinking ... "I'm going to have to find a church that puts compasion ahead of dogma"!

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Well said, both of you. I hope that more and more people vote with their feet. As you have pointed out, No Yards, it's all about the filthy lucre for these vile people, which they will then use for their own purposes, regardless of the intention behind the giving.

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No Yards, I am puzzled why you would attend a church that is well known for their prolife views and their willingness to provide financial support for prolife causes. I'm also puzzled why you would attend a church that doesn't pray in a way that fits for you.

I also believe that during the prayers the floor is open to anyone who would like to offer a direct prayer about anyone. I'm not a member of the RC church but that's been my experience.

I'm just puzzled why you would expect an entire congregation of people faithful to the Magisterium to revise their way of worship to accomodate a visitor?

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1) I was brough up on that religion.

2) I have an issue with the legal restriction of abortion rights, not the notion that abortion is a poor solution to most problems concerning pregnancy, so I have no issue with organizations that support a woman who gets pregnant with the process of brining a child nto this world.

3) Stealing money from suffering tsunami victims to promote the above mentioned cause I would think needs no explanation for the reason of my disgust.

4) As I said I was brought up R.C. and I recall no time there was ever any part of the mass where the floor was opened to the ordinary parishoner to devote prayers to a specific purpose.

5) I didn't expect them to "pray the way I pary", as a matter of fact I expect them not to, but I did expect that they would devote a portion of the mass to such an enormous recent disaster. After all, they did bother ro devote a portion of the mass to praying for our MP to vote for their wishes in regards to SSM. I have also attended mass many times when for example a former PM had died and a part of the lecture was devoted to the subject in a positive manner (unlike today when the single mention during the lecture was as a warning as to how this would happen to us if we fell out of God's grace, as supposedly the millions of innocent Asians had done.)

I suppose the cause of this disgusting display of non-Christianity might be placed on the Priest himself, and I will consider that possibility while I write up a letter conveying my disgust with the message behind todays mass, and the thievery of robbing tsunami victims to divert the money to the priests preferred cause.

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2) I have an issue with the legal restriction of abortion rights, not the notion that abortion is a poor solution to most problems concerning pregnancy, so I have no issue with organizations that support a woman who gets pregnant with the process of brining a child nto this world.....

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The Roman Catholic church is a central figure in the persons lobbying to make abortion illegal. I think you have a mistaken view of their intents if you think it's less than that.

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3) Stealing money from suffering tsunami victims to promote the above mentioned cause I would think needs no explanation for the reason of my disgust.

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I may be missing something in your explanation but it's not stealing ...I am sure other people have your discernment skills and know where they are donating money to.....I realize that you and others may prefer to give monies to the tsunami victims but others have different intentions for their funds.

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4) As I said I was brought up R.C. and I recall no time there was ever any part of the mass where the floor was opened to the ordinary parishoner to devote prayers to a specific purpose.

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I suppose the cause of this disgusting display of non-Christianity might be placed on the Priest himself, and I will consider that possibility while I write up a letter conveying my disgust with the message behind todays mass, and the thievery of robbing tsunami victims to divert the money to the priests preferred cause.

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Certainly how you choose to respond is within the scope of your control but I can't imagine that a letter to church officials is going to change much of anything. If someone was a regular faithful member of the church who was in line with the magistrerium then there might be some room for believing it would have the potential to create change but...if you attend...episodically...and are in sharp disagreement with their views...it will accomplsih...not much. They will pay zero attention to you beyond a form letter.

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Geology: PhD. required. Teaching Introductory Geology, Paleontology, and History of Life. Compatibility with a young-earth creationist position required.

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Read it here.

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Are you an unemployed geologist? Well Jerry Falwell's Liberty University may have an opening for you in their science faculty:

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Are there professional geologists who believe in creationism?

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I think there are a few. They must be really bad geologists, technically speaking. They wouldn't be able to base any basin models on tectonic theory, nor trace the sources for hydrothermal ores. Moraines deposited by ancient glaciers must be a mystery to them, as are fossil remains. I'd actually like to have a conversation with one, some day. For chuckles.

US National Parks Service bookstores sell a book called "Grand Canyon: A Different View," which ascribes the Canyon to the Noachian Flood.

(The Time column also describes another creationist theme park, Dinosaur Adventure Land in Florida).

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Fascinating what lies you can tell, with a straight face, so long as you do it under the auspices of "faith". That's right, folks! As long as you say it's all part of some deep, meaningful spiritual quest to find your place in the cosmos, or some similar verbal diarrhea, you can tell a baldfaced lie and it's okey-dokey!

This recent election has really emboldened the KooKs. It's only a matter of time before they start questioning this whole sun at the centre of the galaxy theory.

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This recent election has really emboldened the KooKs. It's only a matter of time before they start questioning this whole sun at the centre of the galaxy theory.

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Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
This recent election has really emboldened the KooKs. It's only a matter of time before they start questioning this whole sun at the centre of the galaxy theory.

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If you meant "sun at the centre of the solar system theory", then they already have started questioning that.

Behold, I give you The Biblical Astronomer.

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Did you means SUNS at the centre of the galaxy, or sun at the centre of the solar system?

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Uh, the second. Hey, would you mind proofreading my Social Studies essay, "Ottawa: Capital of North America"?

Wonder where the Bible says this???

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If you meant "sun at the centre of the solar system theory", then they already have started questioning that.

Behold, I give you The Biblical Astronomer.

(Granted the Biblical Astronomer creationists are the fringe of the fringe and unlikely to win many converts in this day and age. But they're out there.)

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Behold, I give you The Biblical Astronomer.

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because the world is at rest in creation!!

Wonder where the Bible says this???

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Three places actually:

1st Corinthians 16:30

" Tremble before him, all the earth!
The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved."

Psalm 93

1 The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty;

the LORD is robed in majesty

and is armed with strength.

The world is firmly established;

it cannot be moved.

Psalm 96

Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns."

The world is firmly established, it cannot be moved;

In the midst of the debate, a nearby volcano erupted. The pagan contingent held this as proof the old gods were displeased at being forsaken. One of the Christians pointed to the ancient solidified lava on which they all stood and asked “What exactly displeased the gods the last time this happened?”

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