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Puetski Murder
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posted 19 February 2004 05:56 PM      Profile for Puetski Murder     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
After reading Globalization and Its Discontents, I've been wondering how the IMF has been getting away with its unabashed promotion of liberal market ideologies that just don't work.

IMF bashing is fun and all, but since there isn't much to say in its defence, what comes of it? The movers and shakers aren't likely to change their philosophies any time soon, so what do we do with what is essentially an exploitative multilateral organization on our hands.Heck, even the World Bank stepped back from the neo-liberal precipice.

Why does the WTO get to hog all the outrage?

Lob some things back. I'm interested to read what anyone has to say.


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Cougyr
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posted 19 February 2004 07:05 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm puzzled as to why you call them liberal or neo-liberal policies. The IMF has been thoroughly taken over by multinationals. It no longer even pretends to do anything else.
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Stephen Gordon
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posted 19 February 2004 08:00 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You might want to read Ken Rogoff's reply.
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Puetski Murder
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posted 19 February 2004 08:22 PM      Profile for Puetski Murder     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ken Rogoff's reply *does* add some needed leverage to Stiglitz, who can come off as sanctimonious especially considering the World Bank policies he had anything to do with. The IMF comes off not much better however, still refusing to see that its 'successes' are not sustainable.

It isn't only Stiglitz who critisizes the IMF in this way, but he's certainly the most visible.

He raises an interesting point however, about the unrealistic expectations of the IMF on developing countries. Is it really ok to ask a country to slash social programs as quickly as possible, and reward them for doing so, when such a thing would cause a tremendous uproar in any Western/Northern nation?

How is the IMF accountable to anyone? How is it relevant as a forefront financial institution since the abolishion of fixed exchange? I don't think it is on either counts.

Cougyr, I'm not familiar with these multinationals you mention. Care to elaborate?

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Stephen Gordon
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posted 19 February 2004 08:26 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As far as the IMF is concerned, spending on social programs isn't the problem; the government deficit is. How the deficit is cut is left up to the government.
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posted 20 February 2004 12:26 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And if the deficit is because the cheap bastards who own 90% of the country's industrial base don't want to pay corporate income tax?
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Stephen Gordon
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posted 20 February 2004 08:37 AM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's a limit to what you can do with corporate taxes. In times like that, you want to be attracting foreign investment, not penalising it.

They'd be much better off by reforming the income tax system. Or even just enforcing the existing system; it's often the case that much of the deficit is due to widespread tax avoidance.


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posted 20 February 2004 11:27 AM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Robin Hahnel on the IMF, 2000 April 8:
quote:
Having created an accident waiting to happen one might expect the IMF to at least play the role of fireman when fire broke out. But instead of throwing water, the IMF insisted on throwing kerosene on East Asia’s fires. And instead of taking the blame, the IMF insisted on blaming the victim. As conditions for receiving IMF bail out loans – which in reality bail out international investors not crisis-plagued countries – the IMF insisted on further liberalization of ownership, investment, and trade, draconian budget cuts, tax increases for the middle class, tight monetary policy pushing interest rates through the ceiling, and shut downs followed by fire-sales to foreign banks for troubled financial systems.

http://www.zmag.org/ZSustainers/ZDaily/2000-04/08hahnel.htm


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Stephen Gordon
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posted 20 February 2004 12:05 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ken Rogoff knows much more than I do about this. You might want to check out

The IMF strikes back (Quote: "IMF economists are not evil, nor are they invariably wrong").

There are also links to some of his other commentaries on the IMF site.


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posted 20 February 2004 12:17 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Vijay Prashad on the IMF:
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The IMF over the past few years has worked as the advance guard of the WTO. In December 1997, the IMF's bailout program for South Korea included the following, very revealing, statement: 'Timetables will be set, in compliance with WTO commitments, at the time of the first review, to eliminate the import subsidies; eliminate restrictive import licensing; eliminate the import diversification programme; and streamline and improve the transparency of the import certification procedures.' The Indonesia bailout package speaks of 'liberalization of foreign trade and investment' as a condition for the IMF secured monies.

The push to insert conditions such as 'freer' markets and trade indicates an interest by the IMF to open access for transnational corporations to financial markets. But it also indicates that the IMF is operating outside its previous structural adjustment framework in order, perhaps, to do the advance work for the WTO. James Tobin, at Yale, for instance, notes that 'it is hard to escape the conclusion that the countries' currency distress is serving as an opportunity for an unrelated agenda -- such as the obtaining of trade concessions for US corporations and expansion of foreign investment possibilities.'

Why are private sector firms interested in investing in what the UN calls the Least Developed Countries (LDCs)? Are they interested in the development of these countries, in the well being of the people of these regions? Or do they require these regions to turn a profit on their financial holdings? For several years, interest rates in the advanced industrial countries have been rather low when compared to the rates of return in the LDCs. Institutionalization of savings and increase in the investor base (through mutual and pension funds) creates a larger fund of money that needs to turn a profit. As the LDCs, under pressure from the IMF and many of their corrupt governments, liberalize their financial markets, these become a haven for the speculator.


http://www.zmag.org/ZSustainers/ZDaily/1999-12/04prashad.htm


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Mandos
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posted 20 February 2004 12:22 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's an example of a problem in Rogoff's article:
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However one apportions blame for the financial crises of the past two decades, misconceptions regarding the merits and drawbacks of capital-market liberalization abound. First, it is simply wrong to conclude that countries with closed capital markets are better equipped to weather stormy financial markets. Yes, the relatively closed Chinese and Indian economies did not catch the Asian flu, or at least not a particularly bad case. But neither did Australia nor New Zealand, two countries that boast extremely open capital markets. Why? Because the latter countries' highly developed domestic financial markets were extremely well regulated. The biggest danger lurks in the middle, namely for those economies—many of which are in East Asia and Latin America—that combine weak and underdeveloped financial markets with poor regulation.
Rogoff fails to investigate the political nature of the lack of regulation. This is but a minor example.

The fact is, economies can't be analyzed in a political vacuum. There's a reason why choices are made the way they are, and a reason why some choices that look mathematically good cannot work in real life, if your goal is reducing inequality. Because inequality is ultimately a political choice.


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Puetski Murder
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posted 20 February 2004 01:43 PM      Profile for Puetski Murder     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I checked back at the contentious issues that Rogoff sought fit to take issue to in the Stiglitz book. If I squint and look real hard, I can see where Rogoff would get offended. I'm searching now for an article he wrote for either Foreign Policy or Finance and Development that fleshes out his huff.

I was also under the impression that the IMF considered piddling things like government funded infrastructure and social programs an extra expense that could be funneled into deficit eradication. Which is why their solution is to let private investors do all that and they consider everything square.


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Stephen Gordon
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posted 20 February 2004 02:59 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mandos: What do you mean by "investigate the political nature of the lack of regulation"? The historical context? The lack of a political constituency for regulation? What sort of conclusion would we anticipate from such an investigation?

These are not rhetorical questions; I honestly don't understand what you're getting at here.


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