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Did you know that some Christian dingbat has dubbed today the “Day of Prayer for the World’s Economies?” Well here they are, at the Wall Street bull statue thing, praying to Jesus for money. The dingbat has explained, “We are going to intercede at the site of the statue of the bull on Wall Street to ask God to begin a shift from the bull and bear markets to what we feel will be the ‘Lion’s Market,’ or God’s control over the economic systems.”

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Originally posted by Papal Bull:
Are they worshiping the bull?

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No, they are praying for God to use His invisible hand to stroke the bull's mighty genitals until the virility of the American economy is restored.

Know who else is a central leader and follower of the tenants of this movement called the Seven Mountains Mandate which is a strategy for taking over seven key areas of America society? Well that would be Pastor Thomas Muthee, the infamous Palin witchhunter from the video.

Much has been made about the winginess of that video regarding the protection against witchcraft part. That wasn't just a protection blessing though, that was a leadership annointing ceremony.

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Originally posted by ElizaQ:
Much has been made about the winginess of that video regarding the protection against witchcraft part. That wasn't just a protection blessing though, that was a leadership annointing ceremony.

Talk to Action.org

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Originally posted by remind:

What do you mean by this "leadership annointing"? And your link is not working.

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Hmm weird, it worked when I posted it. It looks like the site is down right now.

It's basically a site that is a collection on all sorts of information about the Christian Right, movement and Palin's others connections. People have been doing a lot of research and putting the pieces together as to who is connected with who and with what.
Here's a article that summerizes a lot of the info that's found there.
Katherin Harris in Palin's Prayer Group

What I meant was that basically she was being annointed by Muthee who is in a leadership role in the movement as a political leader within it.

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A recording of an October 3, 2006 conference call [link to YouTube video with 3:26 segment from call] between Katherine Harris, then Florida U.S. Congressional Representative, and Florida evangelist Ken Malone [transcript of call], reported on in a November 4th, 2006 Tampa Tribune story because of remarks Harris made during the call which some took as anti-Jewish, indicates that Katherine Harris was then active in the same national Spiritual Warfare network which Sarah Palin has been associated with and may still be a member of.

Mounting evidence suggests John McCain's running mate Sarah Palin is deeply involved with a global religious movement bent on imposing theocracies around the world and whose top leader, C. Peter Wagner, has decreed to his followers it is God's will that a forcible, massive transfer of wealth, from the 'godless' to members of his movement, take place.

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Now taken in that vein, when Mccain speaks of transference of wealth, he actually is speaking to the religious rich who have been trying to steal it from others because God told them too, and they must believe that it is "the devil" who is trying to take it back from them.

And I must ask just why are Zionist Jews aligning themselves with these people?

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William March's November 2006 Tampa Tribune story centered on a statement made by Katherine Harris, during the October 3 conference call conversation in which Harris discussed a prayer initiative with Florida evangelist Ken Malone. During call, Harris declared a prayer that God would 'bring the hearts and minds of our Jewish brothers and sisters into alignment.'

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and it seems as though my musings about them believing she, "sarah" has been prophecized in the Bible indicating the end of days and the reign of "Christians" on earth, were accurate.

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While a number of media outlets have featured stories of Muthee's witch hunting exploits in Kiambu, Bishop Muthee is not just any witch hunter. He is internationally known for his starring role in the Transformations I video, produced in 1999, as one of the definitive media tools for the new evangelizing efforts of the Third Wave and the resulting New Apostolic Reformation.

The New Apostolic Reformation is now a distinct entity with its own theology, apostolic networks, schools, school accreditation system, conferences, and media. The Apostolic structure, as defined by Wagner, provides a network of authority or "apostolic covering." Each of Wagner's approximately 500 Apostles has networks of their own, some claiming hundreds or even thousands of ministries under their authority. They view themselves as conducting "the most radical restructuring of Christianity since the Reformation" and believe they are unifying an end time church that will harvest millions of souls before the return of Jesus.

The New Apostolics have developed a unique set of evangelizing tools and terms based on the concept of spiritual mapping and the expulsion of demons. This is for the specific purpose of conquering cities that are resisting the gospel due to the presence of territorial demons and generational curses. These concepts have been marketed through media and videos including the Transformations videos, produced by George Otis, Jr. of the Sentinel Group, which were developed to document what the videos claimed were successful transformations of entire communities through "spiritual warfare" and other of Wagner's new evangelizing technologies. The videos have reinforced the ultimate in faith-based social policy arguments - that human improvement of society is not possible without the supernatural intervention of God and that this intervention can only happen when groups of "Spirit-filled" Christians unite to chase the demons out of their communities and to take authority away from those who are not "born again."

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And when one considers that Palin herself has been speaking of running/being President in the 2012 race one wonders how this election factors into to that?

Moreover, these people truly believe that if dirty stealing politics is what it takes to bring about their version of theocracy, as being God's dictate to them, then that is what it takes. Incredible what whacked out whack jobs they are.

That they believed they brought about the demise of Mother Theresa is

And again why are some Catholics supporting these Pentacostals in their endeavors?

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This was a spiritual warfare venture to combat the chief of all territorial demons, the "Queen of Heaven." Wagner would later write a bout this excursion in his books, "Confronting the Queen of Heaven," and "The Queen's Domain," concerning the demon he believes is responsible for preventing acceptance of the gospel in Roman Catholic Churches as well as Islam. Mendez's testimony of the event publicized on Transforming Melbourne, and other sites, includes her belief that their prayer expedition may have had many successful results including the death of Mother Theresa.

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At least, that's what I remember from Cecil B. Demille's 1956 version of "The Ten Suggestions".

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Now taken in that vein, when Mccain speaks of transference of wealth, he actually is speaking to the religious rich who have been trying to steal it from others because God told them too, and they must believe that it is "the devil" who is trying to take it back from them.

And I must ask just why are Zionist Jews aligning themselves with these people?

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Well I'm only just getting into reading more in depth about this particular movement but the idea that it is all about a war between the Godly and the UnGodly which basically equals a fight between God and the Devil so yeah in terms of politics the Dems and Obama in particular do represent the Devil at work. Hence where all the proclamations of him potentially being the Anti-Christ come from.

As for Zionist Jews, as far as I can tell it basically comes down to the common interest, protection of Israel though for different reasons.

I also think that just sheer ignorance about what the end goals of this movement are all about. That goes for Jews and other Christians as well or maybe the people that do know don't care because they think they're useful nutters. Dunno.

I'm trying to find an article that I came across last month from a Jewish group which talked specifically about the problems with such alliance which pointed out that what gets missed or isn't talked about that the longterm goal of these endtime believers is actually the destruction of Israel and the demand for a mass conversion of Jews to Christ..or else, Hellfire and brimstone. They pointed out that in meetings between the two groups that the 'Christian' people seem to 'accidentally' miss elaborating on the whole strategy

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And when one considers that Palin herself has been speaking of running/being President in the 2012 race one wonders how this election factors into to that?

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In the past couple of weeks she has most definitely playing for this base with an eye on the future, even to the point of being critized by even those within the campaign about going 'rogue' and not listening to advisors and going off of talking points on her own volition.

My own opinion right now which comes from reading people like Wagner's own words about Palin as well as comments from various blogs postings is that her pick in this election did come as a bit of surprise. Not so much that she wasn't pegged for future potential but that it happened now. Basically from their POV it was God reaching in and orchastrating as only he can do to show the way now and we need to follow his lead. Stuff like that.

I've read a couple of articles which are supposed to be inside views on how the Palin pick came about and not much was mentioned about the religious connections except that the advisors knew that she would appeal to the religious base. So she appears to have been on the radar for that point. Whether there was more direct influence from the leaders of this group ie Wagner isn't clear. Yet. I've read a couple of articles suggesting there might have been but to me at least that part is only speculation at this point.

The thing is though that what also appears to have been happening this election is a fracturing of the GOP along those faction lines. I think as a result not only of the actual tone of the campaign but because of the more blatant movement towards the wingier base that's unsettling for many. Palin may have solid support from the more religious faction but that isn't necessarily enough to win over the entire party. I do foresee an internal fight or power struggle for control over the next few years. Some are even calling it a civil war within the party.

Even if Palin and her supporters decide to take a stab at it next time there is no guarantee that she'll get the slot. Especially since I do think that her pick this time has caused people to start shining a brighter light on the relgio-political issues that stand behind her.

I think it's important to note that this stuff freaks out even righter wing evangelicals as they find out more about it. They aren't one big generic group. To me its coming across as being a more extreme version of what we on the left think as pretty extreme already.

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Moreover, these people truly believe that if dirty stealing politics is what it takes to bring about their version of theocracy, as being God's dictate to them, then that is what it takes. Incredible what whacked out whack jobs they are.

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Yep. Pretty much anything goes when your fighting against the power of the evil, demons and the devil. All will be forgiven I guess.

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That they believed they brought about the demise of Mother Theresa is

And again why are some Catholics supporting these Pentacostals in their endeavors?

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I think it may again be a similar thing as the question about Zionist support. The alliances have been built on common issues mainly pro-life stuff and to some extent fighting against homosexual rights. The basic 'family' values agenda.

Again in this election I've come across articles about Catholic groups moving away from evangelicals and what that means blah blah.

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...My interest, or concern is to what extent this particular movement is in Canada and what exactly they're doing.

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Interesting that you bring this up now that I have purged all my links between the pentecostal movement by way Harper's religion of choice and what impact they are having here. I had been collecting them since 2002, but no one seemed to be particularily interested in the information they contained so, I house cleaned them.

The lack of interest and discrediting of their impact and potential is actually disturbing to me, considering how the very same thing is playing out in the USA, and we will see how big their impact is after the election is over tonight. IMV they are creating 10's of thousands of seriously fucked up people which are impacting society at large.

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Bishop Washington Ogonyo Ngede met Obama during the senator's high-profile 2006 visit to his father's village, Kogelo. Ngede, a Pentecostal leader, said a prayer in the village before Obama spoke and "laid hands upon" the Hawaii-born senator, who he believes is anointed by God for electoral victory.

"I prayed for him. I said, 'God bless this young boy, and make him to become president of the United States of America.' I prayed openly, with a lot of force. And I felt the anointing when I was praying," said Ngede.

One tenet of Ngede's faith is "spiritual warfare," which he says combats "evil spirits" from carrying out their intentions. Ngede believes there are "evil plots" afoot in the spiritual realm to prevent Obama from taking office, and in recent months his Power of Jesus Around the World Church has engaged in the flamboyant prayers typical of Pentecostalism to counteract them.

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The presidential candidate's grandmother, 86-year-old Sarah Obama, still lives in Kogelo village.

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Originally posted by remind:
Hey Eliza, Palin has competition for her annoiting and to counteract the spiritual warfare her side is engaging in!

The presidential candidate's grandmother, 86-year-old Sarah Obama, still lives in Kogelo village.

Notice another "Sarah" on the scene.

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Oooo, ha ha. It IS a war of Biblical proportions!

That is totally interesting though. Thanks for posting that. Will look into it further.

edited to add: I notice that is from Fox. Likely a story to show another 'scary Obama black thing'.

Glass houses people, glass houses!!! You got some of those too!!

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