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Arch Stanton
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posted 18 June 2002 11:58 AM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read Orwell's 1984 when I was about 15 or so. When I reached the line where the mechanical voice in the wall said, "You are the dead," I just about leapt out of my skin, I was so shocked.

I can't recall ever being actually physically disturbed by lines on a page in such a manner by anything else I've ever read. Mentally disturbed by what I've read, yes, but it isn't the same - having something catch you unaware and cause the blood to rise as if something was happening in the same room with you.

Has this happened to anyone else?


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posted 18 June 2002 11:58 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Exorcist.
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posted 18 June 2002 12:03 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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clersal
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posted 18 June 2002 12:25 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know if this is shocking except that I am still thinking about the book. A Fine Balance, by Rohinton Mistry. I guess it really didn't fit in in this category. Did you finish it nonesuch?

Silence of the Lambs.


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posted 18 June 2002 12:27 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This wasn't a horror experience -- quite the opposite -- but it caught me so unawares that I reacted physically in public, slammed the book closed in the middle of a library and drew some curious looks ...

At the end of the first section of the first volume of Proust's A la recherche ..., which is a digression into memory about 70 pages long, Proust suddenly brings us back to the madeleine (a biscuit) that set the memories off. I had completely forgotten where I was and how I'd got there, just completely. I couldn't keep reading for days, I was so thrilled at what that book had done to me.


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posted 18 June 2002 08:16 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A tiny book, probably about 30 pages long, back when I was around 11 or 12 years old. It was called, "This is the way the world will end. This is the way you will end. Unless..."

It was all about the threat of nuclear war. My parents probably picked it up somewhere or had it given to them. It had pictures of black cartoon skulls all over the front, with a rainbow of colours as background denoting an explosion. And it went into minute detail about the stockpile of nuclear weapons, what they can do, what exactly will happen if one of them explodes, how many of them the US and the USSR had, and the volatility of the political situation at the time.

It scared me shitless. I remember it like it was yesterday, I can still picture the cover of the book. I don't think my parents really thought much about the book lying around because they figured it wouldn't interest me. I felt physically sick after reading it and had nervous stomach for days.


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posted 18 June 2002 11:40 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, i haven't finished A Fine Balance. It's a long book, and everybody keeps interrupting. Like Peter Singer (somebody here called him to my attention, so i borrowed one of his books from the libraray and you know library books have priority 'cose they're ticking) and Daisy (she has a balance problem, which might be an inner-ear infection or a brain-tumour; either way, she has to be monitored on bathroom breaks) and Cindy (she hates Bitsy and keeps trying to pick fights when i'm trying to read).

When i was about 10, i read (not very well: my English was still shaky) an article in Life magazine about the Ku Klux Klan that kept me awake for about a week.


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Arch Stanton
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Great anecdote, skadl. For what happened to you to have occurred because of something triggering your memory, the way Proust's madeline did in fiction is quite remarkable, I think.

This seems to be somewhat the same kind of effect that Muriel Spark's gimmicks attempt to cause.


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posted 20 June 2002 08:23 PM      Profile for Zatamon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Do it to her!" in 1984

To turn someone's love into 'this' is inconceivable evil. The fact that Orwell could conceive of it, doesn't bode well for us.


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posted 21 June 2002 12:15 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, Orwell had just been witness to fifteen years or so of nearly unmitigated horrors, in Europe and Asia. Not too difficult to imagine that he could conceive of it.
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posted 21 June 2002 11:58 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In James Dickey's novel "Deliverance", the protagonist has lived safely at home for several years after the flood waters have covered his misdeeds. Then....!!!!!

The movie does this scene well, too.


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Arch Stanton
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posted 21 June 2002 12:08 PM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...so good that Spielberg copied it for "Carrie."
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posted 21 June 2002 12:11 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That would be Brian De Palma (1976).
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Arch Stanton
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So did Stephen King write "Carrie" then? I always get Stephen King and Spielberg mixed up!


Did Spielberg ever make a movie of a King novel?


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posted 21 June 2002 01:57 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, Stephen King wrote "Carrie".
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And Brian De Palma made the movie in 1976. Spielberg and King.

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posted 21 June 2002 07:58 PM      Profile for Zatamon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn

A day in hell described as a 'reasonable' and 'ordinary' day by an inmate in a Russian concentration camp.

The horror was the matter of factness of the nerration by someone, who 'adapted'.

It was a mind-shattering warning for me -- BEWARE, we can get used to ***anything***.


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Arch Stanton
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posted 21 June 2002 08:17 PM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've haven't yet read "Denisovich" but Fyodor Dostoevski's "House of the Dead," which I have read, must be similar in many respects.

The general degradation, filth and fear that the prisoners lived with must have been terrible to experience. It's been a while so I don't remember if Dostoevski addressed getting accustomed to life in the Czarist Gulags.


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posted 21 June 2002 08:39 PM      Profile for Zatamon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's worth reading it. It is a short novel, reminded me of the "Old Man and the Sea" by its terseness (which greatly contributed to its power). In 1970 Solzhenitsyn was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature, partly for this book.
I can highly recommend it.

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posted 04 July 2002 11:41 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Grade 9 - 'A Hunger Artist' by Kafka

I strongly identified with the protagonist

Here is the full short-story...

http://www.rockswithfeet.com/kafka/aHungerArtist.html


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clersal
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posted 05 July 2002 12:55 AM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Quite a story flotsom. Thanks. It reminded me in a way of one of shirley Jackson's stories, The Lottery.
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Frequently during John Berger's To The Wedding I felt awed. And I did cry, I swear--so unusual 'cause I'm not a crier. It is the best love story I've ever read. The protagonist's devotion is unconditional, so vulnerable, and so determined, despite the greatest odds. And it's all narrated by a blind man who senses everything from a market far away in Athens, where the story began.

I can't get enough of John Berger. Anyone read his trilogy Into Their Labours, based on the peasant society of Europe?


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I just finished Ian McEwan's Enduring Love - what a nerve-wracking rollercoaster!
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posted 05 July 2002 01:59 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ha! My ex-husband read that short story in his English class at Centennial College! And you took it in grade 9? Wow. Of course, judging from the assignments he used to bring home from that course, it was a pretty sucky English course - it was the one they offer with Automotive Technology.

Edited to say that the story I'm refering to is the one in the link, The Hunger Artist.

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The last page or so of Pierre Burton's "Vimy" made me feel like Burton was talking softly over my shoulder, and I found the experience so emotional, my eyes welled up and my throat constricted at his moving conclusion.

Reading de Sade's "Julliet" made me feel like I had novocaine injected in my whole body-- it was the only way I could digest depraved scene after depraved scene, while an inner voice chanted "why are you letting this in your head? why are you letting this in your head?". Perils of a "trophy book" reader.


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posted 05 July 2002 03:41 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
My ex-husband read that short story in his English class at Centennial College! And you took it in grade 9?

Nah, Michelle...

That was part of my own dreamy curriculum.

Grade nine did give me my first exposure to Sophocles and Blake, However.

bittersweet - I haven't, until now, heard of this author - sounds engaging - thanks.


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Barbara Kingsolver's "Poisonwood Bible". The moment she lets you know where the title came from. That was powerful. I still shiver every time I think of it.
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Brett Easton Ellis, his novel American Psycho, I actually had to put it down, the second time that had happened. The first was when I tried to read three de Sade novels in a row. I made it to number three before quiting and nver looking back. Just imagine how awfull "Psycho" must be, and it's satire, or at least a mockery of the upper classes.

How's about "Filth" by Irvine Welsh? Harry Callahan is a choir boy next to old Robbo.


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When I was in university, I wrote an essay about Joseph McCarthy for my American history class. I remember feeling chilled and alarmed that such things could happen so easily (and so recently) in "the land of the free".

Now I know that worse crimes have been committed in the world, but for me this brought home the adage that "the price of freedom is eternal vigilence".


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In "Johnny Got His Gun",when the veteran wants to be put on display as "WAR".The shocking part was his being shut down by those in control.A must read for any good pacifist.
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Yes. I read the book. You are right, shocking.
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Zatamon
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Has anyone read the French writer Robert Merle's novel, "Death is My Profession," based on the life of Rudolph Hoess, the last and most murderous Nazi Commandent at Auschwitz?

It is the most chilling description of an evil mind.

He does not have a sadistic enjoyment of other people’s pain and death. He is a responsible, upstanding family man, just doing his ‘job’ the best way he can. He is a man with a total lack of compassion and empathy. Human beings for him are just as many stepping stones to enable him reach his goals. He doesn’t hate them – he just doesn’t see them.

The most shocking part of the book was when he was forced to admit to himself and to his wife that he would gas their own child if Hitler ordered it.

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