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Tackaberry
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posted 18 November 2004 08:15 AM      Profile for Tackaberry   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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lagatta
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posted 18 November 2004 08:23 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Interesting story, Tackaberry, but please repair your link with the url function or tinyurl.com -
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Cougyr
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posted 18 November 2004 01:42 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That means there were people in South Carolina 46,000 years before the world was created. Oh, I bet they don't want to know that.
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 18 November 2004 01:46 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I demand you edit this title to say "Satan Plants Spurious Evidence of Humans From 50000 Years Ago to Test Our Faith".
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Tackaberry
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posted 18 November 2004 02:16 PM      Profile for Tackaberry   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anyone have a link to a map of the joint circa 50 000 years ago?
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 18 November 2004 02:25 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hasn't changed much in 200 years. You could probably extrapolate that to 50000.
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posted 18 November 2004 02:28 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not a really close up map, but it would have been at the height of the Wisconsin Glaciation.. I imagine things would have been quite different, but better than Toronto at the time.

Perhaps our resident geologist would know.

paging 'lance!


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Fidel
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posted 18 November 2004 03:50 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder what archaeologists and geologists really think about the relief map of the Urals found at Bashkir ?.
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posted 19 November 2004 02:20 AM      Profile for fuslim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Re: Bashkir
http://tinyurl.com/d1t

quote:
A find of Bashkir scientists contraries to traditional notions of human history: stone slab which is 120 million years covered with the relief map of Ural Region.

This seems to be impossible. Scientists of Bashkir State University have found indisputable proofs of an ancient highly developed civilization-s existence.

The question is about a great plate found in 1999, with picture of the region done according to an unknown technology. This is a real relief map.

Today-s military has almost similar maps...

..."The more I learn the more I understand that I know nothing," the doctor of physical and mathematical science, professor of Bashkir State University, Alexander Chuvyrov admits. Namely Chuvyrov made that sensational find...

...The luck was unexpected. During one of Chuvyrov-s trips to the village, ex-chairman of the local agricultural council, Vladimir Krainov, came to him (apropos, in the house of Krainov-s father, archaelogist Schmidt once staid) and said: "Are you searching for some stone slabs? I have a strange slab in my yard..."

... Alexander Chuvyrov, being physicist, has got into the habit of entrusting only to results of investigation. While today there are such facts.

...The question is that while compiling such three-dimensional map, it is necessary to work over too many figures.

"Try to map at least a mountain!" Chuvyrov says. The technology of compiling such maps demands super-power computers and aerospace survey from the Shuttle.¦

So, who then did created this map? Chuvyrov, while speaking about the unknown cartographers, is wary:

I do not like talks about some UFO and extraterrestrial. Let us call the author of the map simply the creator...

...It looks like that who lived and built at that time used only air transport means: there is no ways on the map. Or they, probably, used water ways.

There is also an opinion, that the authors of the ancient map did not live there at all, but only prepared that place for settlement through draining the land...

...The find of Bashkir scientists has no analogues. With only one exclusion.

When the research was at its height, a small stone chalcedony - got to professor Chuvyrov-s table, containing a similar relief.

Probably somebody, who saw the stab wanted to copy the relief. Though, who and why?


Sorry, I couldn't help myself. The translation was just too good.

As far as the Savannah River, I wouldn't bet a lot of money on that panning out. If there had been human habitation in North America for 50,000 years there would be other evidences.


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aRoused
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posted 19 November 2004 07:04 AM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Re: the Bashkir 'map'. Yeah, and I saw Elvis' head in the mold on the back of my fridge. Don't confound the human eye's capacity for detecting patterns that aren't there with the presence of a pattern. And never mind the fact that dating the stone doesn't date the marks in it, no matter how they got there.

Any newspaper article that begins with statements of 'indisputable proof of an ancient highly-developed civilizations' existence' and doesn't cite any conflicting or contradicting viewpoint should cause your critical faculties to go into overdrive.

50kBP the ice age was in a bit of a remission, between a cold dry period at 70kBP and another at 30kBP. That being said, average temperatures globally were still maybe 1.5C below present-day, so the ice sheets would be there, but in partial retreat.


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Cougyr
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posted 20 November 2004 10:33 AM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't notice any attempt to date the time the relief map was carved. If you pick up an old rock and carve it, the age of the rock is meaningless; it's the date of carving that counts.

We always underestimate ancient peoples. The common view is that civilization appeared about 10k years ago, about the end of the last ice age. But, remember that ice; all that ice. When that ice melted, the oceans would have risen several hundred feet. That would have submerged any coastal habitation. Coastal peoples would have moved uphill, and brought their customs with them; thus the appearance of instant civilization.

Note also, when there was ice, the oceans being smaller, navigation was easier. I have no doubt that ancient peoples navigated the oceans in every direction during that period.


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aRoused
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posted 20 November 2004 10:59 AM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Er, the oceans wouldn't have been *that* much smaller (the continental shelf only extends so far, no matter how much you drop the water level). For that matter, having a load of ice on a continent sinks the continent, so in some locations glacial coastlines are sunken, in other regions (parts of western North America, for example) they're raised up by several meters.

And there's plenty of evidence for a gradual and unbroken development of human societies before the immediate postglacial (I'm avoiding your use of the term 'civilization', as it's a loaded term).

It *is* true that many Mesolithic sites are now thought to be located tens or hundreds of meters offshore, particularly here in Europe, but also in Northwest North America. But Mesolithic sites are not exclusively coastal, so there's not much 'instant civilization' going on, just a lack of evidence about how much Mesolithic peoples were using sea resources in certain parts of the world.


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