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deBeauxOs
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posted 02 October 2005 06:03 PM      Profile for deBeauxOs     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Haworth Press in New York has cancelled the publication of an edited collection of articles about homosexuality in Antiquity, stating that one of the texts could be perceived as supporting sexual relations between men and boys.

The editors, professors Beerte Verstraete and Vernon Provencal, of Acadia University, have challenged the decision.

Haworth Press has recently been targeted by an internet campaign, led by a conservative group against the publication of this book.

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I found this news item at Radio Canada; it is a very loose translation. Does anyone have more information about this?


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deBeauxOs
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posted 02 October 2005 06:19 PM      Profile for deBeauxOs     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Two Acadia University professors are shocked that a scholarly volume they compiled on homosexuality in classical antiquity has been spiked by its New York publisher following criticism from a conservative American website.

“This says a lot about the United States right now,” Beerte Verstraete said Friday.

He and fellow classics professor Vernon Provencal compiled and edited the volume of essays titled Same-Sex Desire and Love in Greco-Roman Antiquity and in the Classical Tradition of the West.

More here.


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Américain Égalitaire
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posted 02 October 2005 06:29 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by deBeauxOs:
“This says a lot about the United States right now,” Beerte Verstraete said Friday.


Oh yes indeed it does. The stupids are winning.

Obviously I'm going to need a Canadian publisher for my book. The 1st Amendment is dying. Hear it shrieking in the night.


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posted 02 October 2005 07:22 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why doesn't one of the major university publishers pick this up, or one of the many Classical societies? They're generally all for putting controversial books out there that will generate new interest in Classics, something that is actually quite difficult to do properly.

I, for one, would be more than happy to read this. Although I'm sure it would *probably* mention some of Heliogablus' more queesy endevours. Nonetheless, new speculation on Classics is a very, very important issue. I think I might run out to the library and see if any of the journals on antiquity have some of these articles and such.


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posted 02 October 2005 07:25 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Prefaces of the essays have been collected on the internet.

Here

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posted 02 October 2005 07:31 PM      Profile for America is Behind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hear the cries as freedom dies, the Gods of War have woken. A Catherine wheel of fire and steel, a death machine in motion.
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posted 02 October 2005 07:33 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Can't you post anything that isn't overly simplistic and annoyingly dramatic?

Also, what Catherine? Of Aragon? Or the Great?


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v michel
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posted 02 October 2005 07:42 PM      Profile for v michel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
of Alexandria I believe (reference to wheel).

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deBeauxOs
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posted 02 October 2005 07:49 PM      Profile for deBeauxOs     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Catherine wheel is the breaking wheel, an instrument of torture.

According to the popular tradition, Catherine was born of a patrician family of Alexandria and from childhood had devoted herself to study. Through her reading she had learned much of Christianity and had been converted by a vision of Our Lady and the Holy Child. When Maxentius began his persecution, Catherine ...went to him and rebuked him boldly for his cruelty. He could not answer her arguments against his pagan gods, and summoned fifty philosophers to confute her. They all confessed themselves won over by her reasoning, and were thereupon burned to death by the enraged Emperor. He then tried to seduce Catherine with an offer of a consort's crown, and when she indignantly refused him, he had her beaten and imprisoned. The Emperor went off to inspect his military forces, and when he got back he discovered that his wife Faustina and a high official, one Porphyrius, had been visiting Catherine and had been converted, along with the soldiers of the guard. They too were put to death, and Catherine was sentenced to be killed on a spiked wheel. When she was fastened to the wheel, her bonds were miraculously loosed and the wheel itself broke, its spikes flying off and killing some of the onlookers. She was then beheaded. source


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posted 02 October 2005 08:22 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ah, yes. That one slipped my mind. I was thinking of slightly more contemporary Catherines.
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posted 02 October 2005 08:45 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You know, it's really stupid, too. We're talking about a time when there really wasn't what was considered a "childhood", and girls were married at ages that would also be considered pedophilia-range today.

Why don't we hear the fundyfuckheads whining about that, when it's mentioned in books and scholarly articles about ancient (and not so ancient - there are places in the world now that marry girls as young as 9) civilizations?

Why don't we hear them complaining about Jesus's father Joseph, the pedophile who wanted to get married to what would now be considered a girl under the age of consent?

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Papal Bull
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posted 02 October 2005 08:52 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Michelle. The world is only 6000 years old

The problem is that EVIL men made up these concepts and then buried them above the clay dinosaur bones they made


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Southlander
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How old was mary? And how old is too young? I think this is subjective to a certain extent. Personally I feel that if a girl has gone through puberty totally with a regular cycle is an absolute minumum. I'm happy with 15, if the first criteria has been fufilled. In our culture I would be happy if people waited until they were settled in their lives, and ready to commit to a life together - a house or business, or having children.
Should 14 or 15 year old girls who are pregnant be able to get married? What if the guy is in his 20's and her parents don't like him? They can't drink in a bar, or vote.

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I'm not familiar with Haworth Press (although the name is resonant -- Haworth is the village in Yorkshire that was the home of the Brontes).

On their website they say that they are publishers of scholarly and "professional" books and journals -- from a quick scan, they seem heavy on medical or alternative-therapeutic works and journals, although they also do general publishing -- they seem to have a series of GLBT science fiction, eg.

Anyway, this is, of course, to be fought hard. The grounds for censorship of all kinds have, I fear, been well prepared over the last generation or so, and some of the tillers have even been, in theory, on the left. This kind of nonsense is inevitable in a culture that has allowed the chipping away of the principled defence of freedom of thought, expression, and conscience.


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aRoused
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posted 03 October 2005 10:58 AM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thought I remembered books on this subject over here.

All is not lost? I'm sure if Haworth don't want it, some other academic publisher will, and more power to them.


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Américain Égalitaire
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posted 03 October 2005 11:04 AM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by aRoused:
I thought I remembered books on this subject over here.

All is not lost? I'm sure if Haworth don't want it, some other academic publisher will, and more power to them.


The problem is that the yahoos have been emboldened on this matter and they will track it. The next publisher who considers the work will get the same treatment so the lesson can be taught. What is, of course, needed is moral courage. But moral courage has almost always taken a back seat to pocketing a buck in the US.


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posted 03 October 2005 12:32 PM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sure, but for example, Cambridge University Press, while having offices and presumably printing facilities in the US, isn't as likely to fold as a purely US-based publisher or primarily US-based publisher would be. And, it ultimately wouldn't affect the distribution of what I can only assume is an work of limited public interest aimed squarely at academics.
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