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Topic: Geomythology; early warnings of disasters
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Contrarian
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posted 07 December 2005 08:17 PM
Well, they may be distorted, or at least the details may be lost, but it is still possible that the myths are based on actual events.The scientists need to be able to distinguish between a description of an actual physical event and whatever explanations and significance people might attach to it afterwards. I just read somewhere that some argue Thera's eruption could explain the 10 plagues that hit Egypt in the Old Testament [sorry I forget what website]. There was a pillar of smoke showing the Israelites what direction to take out of Egypt; the website objects that the smoke from Thera would have been in the wrong direction. But I say, what if somebody remembered that a pillar of smoke had been seen, and without caring what direction it was in, they attached the meaning that it was there as a guide for the Israelites? You cannot dismiss the possibility that the smoke from Thera was seen and remembered, though the story was distorted for the storyteller's purposes. [I have no idea if there is any valid connection between Thera/Santorini and the 10 plagues in Egypt] [ 07 December 2005: Message edited by: Contrarian ]
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aRoused
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posted 07 December 2005 09:00 PM
A) It's not even so much what Makwa said, but just that there's no timescale involved, so that ethnohistory has remained within the scope of anthropology, not history. Historians (still, despite all our efforts) deal with dates, and 'we got washed away back in the days way back' doesn't let them pin a nice numerical year-date on that event, so it gets swept under the rug. B) It all sounds very interesting, but note well that, again, the only event they're able to safely assign consequences to is one that was noted by another society that had recorded historical documents, namely Japan.There are a massive and complex variety of ethnohistorical accounts from various FN's. I dealt with West Coast groups myself, and in some of their early oral histories, there are accounts that are suggestive of glaciers, land bridges, volcanism and refugiae, suggesting that ethnohistorical accounts from that region might (BIG *might*) extend as far back as the first settlers arriving from Siberia. BUT, proving that beyond any kind of scepticism is another matter entirely. For the record I'm quite willing to believe that some of these tales are in fact that old (and remember we're talking about tales that have lasted on the order of 10,000 years here). The real question, beyond the supercoolness factor of having oral histories extending back that are, though, is what benefit or advantage these tales have for us in the present day. The linked article makes it sound like these tales will somehow keep San Francisco from sliding into the sea when the Big One comes. Bull. That being said, they're an amazing (potential) link to an incredibly distant past, and if there's some way of demonstrating their survival to that sort of time depth, it'll be a revolutionary impact on ethnohistory the world over.
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Contrarian
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posted 07 December 2005 09:13 PM
Well, as you say, historians need documents to help confirm stories; but scientists may have better luck by looking for physical evidence. Still, you are left with some speculation.Maybe there is evidence in pictographic art as well. Some prairie tribes kept winter counts, drawn on buffalo robes, with a picture of something for each year. The picture was a memory aid for a description of something memorable about every year. After the tsunami, there was a story that on one island the people knew to run inland as soon as they saw the water being sucked out to sea before the tsunami hit; based on stories handed down of the effect of Krakatoa about 120 years before I think. Oh yes, and there were Helge Instadt and Anne Stine, who used the sagas to help find L'Anse aux Meadows. [ 07 December 2005: Message edited by: Contrarian ] [ 07 December 2005: Message edited by: Contrarian ]
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