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Hunky_Monkey
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posted 27 December 2005 01:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hephaestion: Continued from this threadIt might seem like this is a dead issue, now, but I'd like to keep a thread going for another day or two if possible, just to track what kind of coverage (or non-coverage) this gets in the media. I heard a "blurb" about 10 seconds long on CBC Radio earlier... wow! You folks get the Gnashional before me -- did it even rate a mention? For a change I have some sympathies for the Reformatories, as vile as they are. Can you imagine the denunciations, the finger-pointing, the histrionics that would have gripped CBC if this had been a Reformatory big-wig that did this? Gawd, our "public broadcaster" makes me peeee-yook sometimes...
Paul Wells is right... if this was the Executive Vice-President (Ontario) of the Conservative Party of Canada, the Liberals would be having a field day... quote: Which blood vessels would Susan Murray and John Duffy be popping if they'd discovered a Conservative moron comparing an Asian-Canadian candidate to a dog?
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Privateer
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posted 27 December 2005 01:43 AM
Here's a story from the CBC website. quote: Stephen Heckbert, a spokesman for the Liberal campaign in Ontario, said Klander's blog was a personal one that did not reflect the view of the federal party.He called the material "outside the bounds of good taste" and said Klander had apologized to Chow. "Obviously, this is something the Liberal Party of Canada doesn't condone," Heckbert told the Canadian Press. "It's our view that partisan rhetoric has its limits."
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Vansterdam Kid
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posted 27 December 2005 02:25 AM
SGM pointed this out earlier, but I think it bears repeating. The NDP really needs to highlight the hypocracy of this claim, and get Paul Martin to apologize and address the issue. As it's clear the Liberals, and unfortunatley the CBC too, just want to minimize this:[cp] quote: Klander was a volunteer and did not play an official role for the Liberals during this campaign, Heckbert said, adding he's apologized to Chow.
When as Paul Wells points out: quote: CP is quoting a long-suffering Liberal spokesman to the effect that Klander was "a volunteer" who had no official role in the current campaign. This rather understates the guy's significance. He delivered Tony Dionisio to the Martin camp in '02, and together, they delivered Ontario. When Sheila Copps got uppity, Klander was dispatched to take proper care of her in Hamilton in '04. I fondly recall the first place I ever saw the guy: in the union-hall basement where Paul Martin announced to a breathless world in 2002 that he wasn't sure he could work with Jean Chrétien any more. That whole event was a Klander/Dionisio special. But they were just volunteers, you understand.
link The NDP needs to ask Paul Martin to directly apologize for or dissavow Mike Klander, who was a key organizer on behalf of his leadership bid. For us BC babblers, it would be like if Mark Marrissen made a similar comment and then the Liberals just said he was a minor volunteer. So it simply doesn't fly that the Liberals are trying to claim he was simply a volunteer, even if he didn't get paid (which would be rich), clearly his position indicates how important he was to Martin himself.
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TheStudent
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posted 27 December 2005 03:56 AM
This just in: Klander resigns.This was on CBC.ca: A prominent member of the federal Liberal Party resigned Monday over comments he made on his blog about NDP Leader Jack Layton and his wife, NDP candidate Olivia Chow. Mike Klander, a public affairs consultant in Toronto, had been executive vice-president of the party's Ontario wing. He stepped down from the volunteer position after it was revealed that he had posted a picture of Chow on his personal blog alongside a picture of a chow chow dog, with the heading "Separated at birth." Chow is running as the NDP candidate for the Toronto riding of Trinity-Spadina. The blog, which has been taken offline, also contained nasty comments about Layton. In an entry dated Nov. 23, he wrote: "I'm going away for a couple of days so I thought I would find something smart and witty to put up on my blog before I left. Unfortunately I couldn't think of anything so I just want to say that I think Jack Layton is an a**hole ... for no reason other than it makes me feel good to say it ... and because he is." Stephen Heckbert, a spokesman for the Liberal campaign in Ontario, said Klander's blog was a personal one that did not reflect the view of the federal party. He called the material "outside the bounds of good taste" and said Klander had apologized to Chow. "Obviously, this is something the Liberal Party of Canada doesn't condone," Heckbert told the Canadian Press. "It's our view that partisan rhetoric has its limits." Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Hephaestion
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posted 27 December 2005 05:41 AM
Well, here's the latest round-up, courtesy of google news (I edited out duplicates):
quote: Liberal quits after blog maligns Layton, wife
London Free Press, Canada - 2 hours ago
... Mike Klander, executive vice-president of the federal Liberal party's Ontario wing, stepped down after photographs of Chow, the NDP candidate for the Toronto ...
quote: Liberal exec resigns after blog controversy
Toronto Star, Canada - 7 hours ago
Mike Klander, executive vice-president of the federal Liberal party's Ontario wing, stepped down after photographs of Chow, the NDP candidate for the Toronto
quote: Harper Hopes Negative Campaign Backfires on Liberals
580 CFRA Radio, Canada - 1 hour ago
... described Harper as "creepy.". Mike Klander stepped down after word of his Internet blog leaked out. Harper says it's a campaign
quote: Blog bombshell hits Grits
Ottawa Sun, Canada - 10 minutes ago
... Mike Klander, executive vice-president of the federal Liberal party's Ontario wing, stepped down after photographs of Chow, the NDP candidate for the Toronto
quote: Liberal executive resigns after disparaging NDP politicians on ...
CBC News, Canada - 46 minutes ago
... Chow. Mike Klander, a public affairs consultant in Toronto, had been executive vice-president of the party's Ontario wing. He stepped
quote: Liberal resigns after posting insults on blog
CTV.ca, Canada - 5 hours ago
Mike Klander, executive vice-president of the federal Liberal party's Ontario wing, stepped down after photographs of Chow, the NDP candidate for the Toronto
quote: Federal Liberal party official quits over NDP blog remarks
Hamilton Spectator (subscription), Canada - 2 hours ago
Mike Klander, executive vice-president of the federal Liberal party's Ontario wing, resigned yesterday after he compared Chow to a dog and called Layton an
quote: Liberal exec resigns after comparing NDP's Olivia Chow to a dog on
Macleans, Canada - 2 hours ago
Mike Klander, executive vice-president of the federal Liberal party's Ontario wing, stepped down after photographs of Chow, NDP candidate for the Toronto
quote: Liberal exec resigns after comparing NDP's Olivia Chow to a dog on ...
940 News, Canada - 4 hours ago
Mike Klander, executive vice-president of the federal Liberal party's Ontario wing, stepped down after photographs of Chow, NDP candidate for the Toronto
quote: Liberal exec resigns after comparing NDP's Olivia Chow to a dog on ..
Brooks Bulletin, Canada - 7 hours ago
Mike Klander, executive vice-president of the federal Liberal party's Ontario wing, stepped down after photographs of Chow, the NDP candidate for the Toronto ...
quote: Liberal resigns after posting insults on blog
CTV.com, Canada - 7 hours ago
Mike Klander, executive vice-president of the federal Liberal party's Ontario wing, stepped down after photographs of Chow, the NDP candidate for the Toronto ...
quote: Liberal exec resigns after comparing NDP's Olivia Chow to a dog on ...
Brandon Sun, Canada - 8 hours ago
Mike Klander, executive vice-president of the federal Liberal party's Ontario wing, stepped down after photographs of Chow, the NDP candidate for the Toronto ...
quote: Liberal exec resigns after blog comment
Canoe.ca, Canada - 10 hours ago
Mike Klander, executive vice-president of the federal Liberal party's Ontario wing, resigned today after he compared Chow to a dog and called Layton an "asshole
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posted 27 December 2005 10:18 AM
though folks might get a chuckle out of the irony...here is how "the asshole" describes his company on his websiteMike Klander is a highly specialized and well respected government relations consultant assisting clients both at Queen’s Park in Ontario and at the Federal Government level in Ottawa. Whether managing a crisis, proposing a new initiative, monitoring legislation, or simply building political relationships, Klander and Associates can help your business or association navigate through government decision making His client include Imperial Tabacco...makes him a death pimp...too bad he didn't use his sick disparging sense of humor on those death merchants...good news is another sleazy Liberal political shit bites the dust....hahahah...now he can earn a living like the rest of us....
(I guess a PR gig at the Chow lovers club of Canada is out of the question for him) BTW just in case anyone wants to comment personally to him about his sense of humor he kindly included his address and phone number on his website it is: Mike Klander 7 Howland Road Toronto, Onatrio M4K 274 Canada Phone: (416) 214-3258 Fax: (416) 214-1576 Email [ 27 December 2005: Message edited by: nevermind ]
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posted 27 December 2005 01:20 PM
Posted this in a thread about Sheila Copps last week. Thought it might add another dimension here (the bold is mine): quote: It was evident to me, the minute I set foot in the place, that the fix was in. So here's the exchange I had with the Martin factotum, who we will call Mike. He: "Hi, Warren." Me: "Hi, Mike." He: "Nice to see you here." Me: "Yeah, I bet." He: "What do you think?" Me: "I think you are about to fuck over a woman who has been part of the heart and soul of the Liberal Party for twenty years. I think you ought to be ashamed of yourselves." warrenkinsella.com December 21, 2005
Does Mike + Mike = Mike?
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Screaming Lord Byron
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posted 27 December 2005 01:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Hephaestion:
So in the newsroom vernacular... this might have "legs".
Simple mathematics, my dear Hephaestion. The possibility of damage to the Martin camp x Warren Kinsella's (understandable) loathing for said camp x his contacts and past experiences = dirt. Big dirty, mucky dirt. Watch his blog. He'll have something good for us, I'll bet. [ 27 December 2005: Message edited by: Screaming Lord Byron ]
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posted 27 December 2005 02:05 PM
Kinsella: quote: I, like Sheila, am providing advice to people I like - in whatever party they belong to. Liberals, Tories, New Democrats, Green candidates. I, like Sheila, know the best thing that could happen to the Liberal Party of Canada is a loss - and, as soon as possible thereafter, the departure of Paul Martin and his coterie of well-paid thugs. Some houses can be renovated, some houses you need to tear down and start over. This one is a tear-down.
Where is that sledgehammer?
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posted 27 December 2005 06:57 PM
Can we imagine this kind of attack happening to the other leaders' wives? Would it have happened to this candidate if she *weren't* married to the person she's married to? What would the press do if Sheila, Laureen or Yolande had been viciously attacked like this by someone enjoying Mike Klander's position in another party? Is it fair game because Olivia's had the audacity to want an equal political voice, rather than play an appropriate quiet feminine role behind the scenes as "the leader's wife"? Is the attitude that she's getting what she's asked for? Why is politics such an ugly, ugly game, attracting ugly backroom players like this? Is this really how we get people engaged in democracy? Or is it how we keep it restricted to those who can play mean and smeary. To those who don't have anything cheap and obvious to attack - like being a person of colour, a person with a disability, or gay, or lesbian, or trans, or a woman of any description? I think, as the implications of this thing sink in, that the story definitely has legs.
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posted 27 December 2005 09:32 PM
The Liberals are the hypocrites, pure and simple. They claim they have the most tolerant, racially diverse, generous tent of all people, yet this racial slur is just another example that they are no different from any other corrupt party in power for too long...i.e. that they have losers and intolerant and racist types as well...just like the conservatives that they so love to accuse...If only Canadians, and Ontarians, especially, would come to see and admit the Liberals for who they really are: tired, corrupt, washed-out, and willing to say and do anything to stay in power.
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posted 27 December 2005 10:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by Tory Spelling: Let the smears and slurs racial and otherwise by the Liberal party continue. Each one is another nail in their coffin. When you have rats cornered the only thing they know how to do is lash out. Bye Bye Lieberals.
...actually, Tory, in this case that would most likely be Bye Bye Lieberals, hello New Democrats. Hope you enjoy seeing YOUR party get the same number of seats as last time. ...or, perhaps, fewer...
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Hephaestion
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posted 28 December 2005 05:29 AM
Wow... babble can't get enough of this topic -- someone has started up a third thread over here.
Anyway, just thought I'd mention that for the second night running, The Gnashional had almost two-thirds of its alloted time span taken up with "tsunami nostalgia", as well as stories on rain in BC, and traditional hand-made "nesting" Russian dolls... but nary a whisper of a word about this story. Funny, that.
CBC Radio's afternoon show host did conceed earlier yesterday that the "Liberal blogger" story was front-page news across the country. But, oddly enough, there was no mention of it on "The World at Six" or "As It Happens" -- and shucks, CBC TV had this pressing Pittsburg-Toronto hockey game on at 6:00 pm (on a Tuesday) so... no news at all. Tough luck, eh?
Like I said, sometimes our "public broadcaster" makes me peeeeee-YOOK![ 28 December 2005: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]
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posted 28 December 2005 12:20 PM
quote: Sticking it to Teflon Grits no easy task Scandal is a "discreditable" circumstance or event that brings a person into disgrace. Their reputations suffer but the need is to call an image repairman, not the police. Corruption, on the other hand, is the "destruction" and "putrefaction" of an institution or from its intended purpose. When people in public life discharge their duties in a corrupt way, by bribery, favouritism or stealing, they corrupt the institutions by which we are governed. If the poll numbers are to move in the mean month of January, someone besides Gilles Duceppe is going to have to make that distinction.
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posted 28 December 2005 04:04 PM
quote: Does it bother anybody else that the Conservatives are playing this up so much?
Yes, but the MSM double standard and Liberal Party bias is an issue here. In recent elections, if a Reformer, CCRAPer, Reform-a-Tory or non-Progressive Conservative candidate was found to be spouting racist, sexist, homophobic or other despicable garbage, then Liberal mouthpieces and their apologists in the MSM would be out there yelling that ALL of the Reformers, CCRAPers, Reform-a-Tories or non-Progressive Conservatives MUST be bigots, racists and/or homophobic Nazis. In this case, Mike Klander is being portrayed as “just a volunteer,” a Joe Nobody, rather than the big time Paul Martin Liberal player/organizer/lobbyist he truly is/was.
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posted 28 December 2005 05:09 PM
quote: I remember when, as a young high school student, he came into my office interested in knowing more about the Liberal party. His father was a diehard New Democrat, but Mike thought the Liberal Party might be a more realisitic way to help people. As a young man, he wanted to get involved to make things better. Over the years, it became simply about the win. My last images of Klander involve him working against me (and for the Martin/Tony Valeri side) in the ugly battle over the Liberal nomination in Hamilton East-Stoney Creek last year.His blog struck me as stunning in its ignorance. No depth there, simply hate. Martin good, everyone else bad. ... In today's party machine, non-white voters are viewed as commodities, to be traded for seats which will guarantee a majority. The only difference in the Klander blog is that the public actually found out.
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posted 28 December 2005 05:24 PM
quote: In the Martin backrooms, fitting in tends to mean "old boy" and bathroom humour, and ensuring your place is secured by tearing others down.
On the one hand, I do believe that is true of the Martin backrooms. On the other, I tend to assume it is also true of a lot of other backrooms. The only thing I don't like about Sheila's column, which hits so many targets so well, is the implication that only Martinite Liberals run by the old-fashioned macho rules. In my experience, most of the world still runs by the old-fashioned macho rules. Often, babble still runs that way.
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posted 29 December 2005 12:21 AM
quote: Originally posted by pogge: Sheila Copps weighs in: Liberals' seamy side
quote: On it, Klander claims he will never run for office because he does not want to be forced to be nice to stupid people.
Poor lad. Guess that means he doesn't masturbate.
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posted 29 December 2005 07:17 PM
quote: Layton slams Liberals for racist taunts against his wife, an NDP candidate "I frankly never expected that we would face such things, that a candidate would be singled out," Layton said in his first public appearance since before Christmas. "I certainly hope racial slurs will come to an end in this campaign." Layton noted that Europeans who controlled portions of China in the past used to hang signs that read "no dogs or Chinese allowed," and said no Chinese person familiar with their history will ever forget those signs. "This is no joke, and I think it's a culture of arrogance that has set in . . . and the election will have to deal with it," he said. "It reminds us that insults flow from arrogance. There is far too much of this in today's Liberal party." Chow appeared with Layton later Thursday at a campaign event in the city's east Chinatown district, and said the comparisons to the dog on the Liberal website were hurtful. "I think I was tremendously saddened," she said. "To have this kind of racial slur is humiliating. I think the true mask of the Liberal party has been taken off, and I certainly hope on Jan. 23 people will understand that it is time for a change." Layton compared the web-based insult to school-yard behaviour, and said it's the same kind of discrimination many new Canadians face when they look for a job. "That kind of attitude has no place in our country," he said. "Canada should not be governed by people who think that way."
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posted 29 December 2005 07:58 PM
Here's a photo of a black catHere's an image of a white cat. And here's an image of a black and white cat And here's the average sucker ... I mean Canadian at election time
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posted 02 January 2006 08:55 AM
Well: on Saturday morning, the Grope and Flail used up a few lines at the bottom of their editorial column to attack Jack - that's right, to attack Jack! - for his response to Klander.According to the editors of the Grope, calling Klander's vicious slur racist is way over the top and completely unjustified. I read that editorial agog, trying to imagine the bitter, twisted little person who must have written it. Why take up any space at all to do anything but denounce vicious, unprovoked slurs? Why?
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posted 03 January 2006 05:46 PM
Here's another commentary in that vein: Bad NDP! Playing the race card against the Liberals! quote: NDP Leader Jack Layton and his wife Olivia Chow were in Toronto Thursday where they campaigned among the Chinese-Canadian community -- and characterized the offensive blog posting about her by a now-resigned Liberal official as racist. But was it a racist taunt?... Question: For those who say Mike Klander's post on Chow was racist, is it because Olivia Chow is Chinese? If she had been Caucasian and named Collie, and Klander did a similar photo comparison of her and a collie dog, would that have been equally offensive or less so? How about if he did it about a white man named Collie? Klander was executive vice-president of the Ontario wing of the federal Liberal Party until he resigned on Boxing Day -- three days before Layton and Chow made their statements. However, Layton and Chow didn't speak publicly about it until a day when they were appearing before Chinese-Canadian audiences (on Dec. 27, the NDP issued a statement about the Boxing Day shootings in Toronto). They didn't say it was an attack from one person. Remember, Chow said: "To have this kind of racial slur is humiliating. I think the true mask of the Liberal party has been taken off, and I certainly hope on Jan. 23 people will understand that it is time for a change." ... Question: Since the offending individual apologized and her opponent disavowed the insult, why didn't that end the matter for Chow and Layton? One unpleasant answer could be that Chow and Layton are comfortable with the tactic of painting all Liberal Party members as anti-Chinese racists if it will hurt Liberal popularity (both their ridings have sizable Chinese-Canadian components). They aren't alone. Here are remarks by Stephen Harper...
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posted 03 January 2006 06:07 PM
Excerpts from letters in response to the Globe's editorial: quote: Your editorial, Ah, C'mon, Jack (Dec. 31) suggests New Democratic Leader Jack Layton can't take a joke. C'mon yourself; this is no joke. The name-calling of Mr. Layton and his wife Olivia Chow by a Liberal Party official was despicably low, vulgar and racist, and Mr. Layton was right to say so.
quote: Your editorial excoriates Jack Layton for suggesting a racist dimension to Mike Klander's insult to Olivia Chow. I believe Mr. Layton was entirely realistic in making this connection. I base my belief on 27 years work in public transportation where, as an invisible servant, I have heard a broad cross-section of the public make appallingly racist remarks worthy of any 19th-century bigot.
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posted 03 January 2006 08:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by Krazee Eyes: As someone who has faced racial discrimination, I think it's apalling that Jack Layton is trying to exploit this episode and paint all Liberals as racist. That's bullshit. And it is offensive to people of colour like me who have been systematically discriminated against all these many years.
Yes, I agree it would be apalling if Jack Layton tried to paint all Liberals as racist. But of course Jack did not do that. Moving from the hypothetical to the actual: Krazee Eyes, as a "person of colour who has been discriminated against all these many years", how do you feel about the comments made by Klander? [ 04 January 2006: Message edited by: Paul Gross ]
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posted 03 January 2006 09:19 PM
I find it equally appalling as the attempt by the NDP to score cheap political brownie points over the comment.Not only that, but muckraking, insults, and the like are done by parties which have no vision to offer the voters. The NDP, it appears, is all too keen on getting involved in this.
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posted 03 January 2006 09:22 PM
I don't believe you're legit.Perhaps in the future I'll be eating my words, but I don't think so.
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posted 04 January 2006 02:36 AM
quote: Originally posted by RealityBites: I don't believe you're legit.Perhaps in the future I'll be eating my words, but I don't think so.
Yeah, whenever they pop-up at just this time to try to spin it...their credibility goes down the toilet. And Krazee you should know that there are plenty of people who are Persons of colour who have posted to the related topics since the subject first came up, pointing out that it was a racist comment and who focused on that, instead of defending the Liberal Party.
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posted 04 January 2006 07:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by Vansterdam Kid: Yeah, whenever they pop-up at just this time to try to spin it...their credibility goes down the toilet.
They never seem to understand that rabble - or any other board - is a community that people join and become a part of over time. People will always resent and suspect an outsider trying to use it as a short-term soapbox, doubly so when the claims defy belief.
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posted 04 January 2006 05:20 PM
quote: Originally posted by RealityBites: I don't believe you're legit.Perhaps in the future I'll be eating my words, but I don't think so.
I don't believe that yo can deny my experiences just because you disagree with my opinion. Bu thw way, in the interest of actual discussion, what is the nature of your disagreement with me, other than your ad hominem attack? And you're questioning MY legitimacy?
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posted 04 January 2006 05:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by Krazee Eyes: I don't believe that yo can deny my experiences just because you disagree with my opinion.
I don't believe that you had them. I think you're a complete fake.
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posted 05 January 2006 04:20 PM
Krazee Eyes, your complaint is best directed to the moderators - [email protected] [email protected] You'll find an outline of how to send a compaint in the policy statement, which is found near the bottom right of any babble page (above the copyright). [ 05 January 2006: Message edited by: writer ]
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posted 05 January 2006 04:38 PM
Why Makwa, you can call me a whitey people any old time! Or, to make me feel a bit more with it, how about whitey peeps? Here's a shout out to my good race-traitor whitey peeps right now! [ 05 January 2006: Message edited by: writer ]
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posted 05 January 2006 05:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by writer: Krazee Eyes, your complaint is best directed to the moderators - [email protected] [email protected] You'll find an outline of how to send a compaint in the policy statement, which is found near the bottom right of any babble page (above the copyright). [ 05 January 2006: Message edited by: writer ]
Thanks for letting me know of this. I hope RealityBites reads this too and does the right thing from now on. I'm just defending myself when attacked. Not that there's any point because I sink to the level of the poster who attecked me. You give good advice Writer.
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posted 05 January 2006 05:50 PM
I have not attacked you. I have said I don't believe you. That is my right, just as you have the right to say you don't believe I am legit, although I can't fathom what you think I am claiming to be that I'm not. I'm certainly not claiming to be a moderator or a reigning monarch.Take heart, krazee eyes. For you see, if I DID believe you were a person of colour, I would be forced to conclude that you are remarkably stupid, and that would be insulting indeed, so naturaly I wouldn't say it. In the meantime, if you wish to build up credibility here, you will not do so by sticking to one topic in one thread. By writing on a variety of topics, a pattern of your opinions emerges, from which people will judge you to be honest or not.
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posted 05 January 2006 06:28 PM
And if you do have a real complaint, you would probably folllow Writer's advice above. It seems to me that you're just flakin' around and badmouthing people you don't like. This is why I was questioning whether you're legit. You can't bash people for not engaging in real debate when you don't do it yourself.But thanks for your posting advice. I'll take it. If you want to build up credibility, maybe you should focus on the the thread topic instead of bashing the people who are posting. Just advice, but I hope you take it.
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posted 05 January 2006 07:42 PM
Krazee Eyes, you'll notice that right here in this thread, Stargazer, Vansterdam Kid, Albireo, Cartman and Contrarian question your legitimacy.Why did you single me out? Is it because I'm gay?
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posted 05 January 2006 08:02 PM
I don't think we have any obligation to believe someone is a person of colour just because they say so.Here, the poster appears on the board to make an argument that falsifies what Jack Layton said, and uses a claim to minority status to bolster his position. It could be true...he has minority status and lies about Jack Layton. Or, it could be that he lies about Jack Layton, and lies about his minority status. Take your pick.
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posted 05 January 2006 08:27 PM
I would like to congratulate K. Eyes for his ability to reside in Kimberley, BC, which is: quote: Kimberley, a unique, four season resort with first class amenities. This is a friendly community with a strong sense of community pride and a commitment to make our visitors’ stay pleasant and memorable.The well-planned growth of our golf courses, ski resort and real estate developments have contributed to Kimberley's prosperity and strong tourism-based economy. While you are here, be sure to stroll through the picturesque Platzl open air shopping quarter and visit the delightful shops and restaurants.
Not every person of colour can live where he does, in a really nice part of town, too!
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posted 05 January 2006 08:44 PM
These must be the homies that told him about rabble.www.kiotac.ca
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posted 05 January 2006 09:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by RealityBites:
Why did you single me out?Is it because I'm gay?
Oh man I hope you are not feeling this way. I didn't know you were gay. I am too. I singled you out because I thought your comments were rude and you were singling me out. You know, when you've lived with discrimination you become very distrustful of people you don't know, but I guess you know that. I'm sorry. And I'll ignore that last post of yours accusing me of being white. Not that there's anything wrong with that...
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posted 05 January 2006 09:24 PM
My, my, gay AND black in a Bavarian-style resort town.Any other minority statuses - any chance we can get them all at once?
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posted 05 January 2006 11:23 PM
I may be missing something, but where did K.E. (or anyone else) say that he was from Kimberley, B.C.? And how is it relevant? I'm also not that worried about whether he's being honest about his race or sexuality, because I think his comments can be evaluated without bringing either of those factors into it. In other discussions, other people have provided enough context for me to accept their self-descriptions as true, or to suspect that their self-descriptions are false. And sometimes (i.e., not always) I find their reference to personal experience to provide some insight into a point that's being discussed. K.E.'s comments so far about his identity and experiences have been at a fairly general level. And that's fine for now. Perhaps he'll go into greater detail, and perhaps not. As it stands, he hasn't articulated his views on this thread to a point where I can understand why he holds those views, so until he does, I'll continue to disagree with him. On the other hand, I agree to a certain extent with what he said in his first post on the thread about outing public figures, as I said there.
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posted 05 January 2006 11:50 PM
quote: Originally posted by obscurantist: I may be missing something, but where did K.E. (or anyone else) say that he was from Kimberley, B.C.? And how is it relevant?
Postal code. And when a town has a black population of 40 people, 0.6% of the population, it's kinda relevant I think. The experience would be somewhat different from being black in Calgary, with 13 thousand others.
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posted 06 January 2006 08:14 AM
They never seem to understand that rabble - or any other board - is a community that people join and become a part of over time. People will always resent and suspect an outsider trying to use it as a short-term soapbox, doubly so when the claims defy belief. and Y'see Krazee, there's an election going on and we get a lot of infiltrators here; people who are not what they pretend to be. Now we have excellent moderators here, so the infiltrators don't last. * Is this true? I thought the reason for all this was to have a forum to share opinions from wherever they come from. On my first post (it was incomplete because I made a mistake) I got flamed right away,saying I was a fake poster making a fake post. Can someone tell me why? And I don't have a postal code where I come from. Sorry.
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posted 06 January 2006 08:39 AM
quote: Originally posted by obscurantist: Okay -- I missed the postal code. But still, aren't posters here more likely to be evasive about their real postal code than about other personal information? As has been noted in the past, your postal code isn't M5W 1E6.
Well of course mine was chosen to obviously show that it's not my real postal code, rather than to mislead people into thinking I live somewhere I don't. In KE's case though, there are just too many things that raise red flags. PMs turned off, claims that don't jibe, statements that are demonstrably false, ever-changing profile info and a complete lack of interest in answering anyone who has challenged him except me.
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