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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 30 September 2005 09:33 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
what will they think of next ...

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Under the process, billed by Ms Wiigh-Maesak as "ecological burial", bodies are dipped in a bath of freezing liquid nitrogen. The brittle bodies are then mechanically shaken so that they begin to break down into small particles.

Freeze-dried remains buried just under the surface of the ground can return to the ecological cycle much quicker than those buried in deep graves and coffins.

Ms Wiigh-Maesak's company, Promessa Organic, recommends planting a tree above the grave, which can be nurtured as a living reminder of the deceased.



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posted 30 September 2005 11:00 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sounds like a good idea to me. Cremation and burial in coffins both ensure the value of the body is lost to the environment.

And for people who still want an element of preservation...


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 30 September 2005 12:13 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Also, if you miss your dearly departed: add 72 litres of hot water, cover, wait 5 minutes, unwrap, enjoy loved one.
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alisea
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posted 30 September 2005 12:19 PM      Profile for alisea     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Magoo,

You're surely *not* seriously suggesting this for the Babble cookbook initiative, are you? I don't have room in my kitchen ...


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 30 September 2005 12:25 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You don't have to reconstitute the entire dearly departed all at once. In fact, if you don't want to reconstitute the entire dearly departed, consider storing some d.d. in ziploc bags and using them to thicken sauces and gravies.
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posted 30 September 2005 12:46 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Reminds me of a joke I heard as a kid. Don't remember all the details of the premise, but a family keeps the grandfather's ashes in a jar in the kitchen. Someone asks why and they explain they open the jar, put a spoonful of ashes in a glass of water "and voila, instant grandpapa!"
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arborman
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posted 30 September 2005 03:22 PM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I've always presumed and insisted that I should be cremated and my ashes dumped into the sea. Low cost to family, no need for a burial plot.

I have no problem with being freeze dried and composted, as long as it doesn't create a financial burden for the family.

Hell, once I'm dead I don't much care what's done to my remains - I won't be in them anymore. My grandfather was cremated and had his ashes spread in the Bow River - I've always found that approach to be most appealing, inasmuch as it matters.

What's the cost of keeping the nitrogen that cold? What about in energy terms? It might not be such a great ecological choice, with those considerations. Wouldn't just dumping the body into the middle of the ocean get the remains back into the life cycle pretty quickly?


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 30 September 2005 03:25 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It says right in my will that when I die, somebody has to eat my corpse on Fear Factor.
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posted 30 September 2005 03:39 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by arborman:
Wouldn't just dumping the body into the middle of the ocean get the remains back into the life cycle pretty quickly?

Yes, or even burying it without a coffin. But we tend not to allow things like that.

DOn't know about the cost, but in trying I found a neat page called 1001 things to do with Liquid Nitrogen.

My favourite:

Freeze a can of shaving cream and then peel the can away from the cream. Put the canless cream into someone's car. Let the oven-like heat from the car's sitting in the sun defrost the shaving cream.

2 cans will fill an entire car

http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/~ubws/nitrogen.html


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posted 30 September 2005 05:37 PM      Profile for blacklisted     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
you could leave a nice little shaker of grandpa by the tank.
http://fish.mongabay.com/food.htm
check the google ad up top

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Blondin
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posted 30 September 2005 06:10 PM      Profile for Blondin     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've donated my body to medicine but there is a proviso - they have to promise not to laugh.
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posted 30 September 2005 07:42 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've willed my body to medical science to do what they want with my body, but I've also written in my will that I want a memorial service with taped, loud music, including "Jumpin' Jack Flash", "You Can't Always Get What You Want", and, right after the closing Blessing, "Sympathy For The Devil". I don't know if they'll go along with it.
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Michelle
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posted 30 September 2005 08:00 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Blondin:
I've donated my body to medicine but there is a proviso - they have to promise not to laugh.

I have too, but I didn't think to add that on my donor card! Also, Magoo - oh man, can you make me laugh.


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Southlander
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posted 30 September 2005 08:33 PM      Profile for Southlander     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read that somewhere you can be wraped in a shroud, with no preservatives, and buried one metre down. they plant trees through the area, and optional memorial signs are around the edges. Anyone know where this is? Sounds like a good idea to me.
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posted 30 September 2005 08:38 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Southlander:
I read that somewhere you can be wraped in a shroud, with no preservatives, and buried one metre down. they plant trees through the area, and optional memorial signs are around the edges. Anyone know where this is? Sounds like a good idea to me.

It's called "green burial," and a funeral entrepreneur -- there are such people -- is trying to start it up on a large scale in Marin County, California.

But there have been problems:

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Dr. Billy Campbell started the country’s first green-burial cemetery, in South Carolina, in 1998, and Joe Sehee had been [Tyler] Cassity’s [the aforementioned entrepreneur's] media consultant. The three men agreed to work together in 2003, hoping to establish “memorial landscapes” across the country. Campbell’s goal was to save a million acres from development by putting bodies in the ground, a strategy that Sehee likes to call “conservation through consecration.” But it all fell apart, slowly and then, this February, abruptly. The rupture was both personal and philosophical. Cassity might argue that Campbell and Sehee were business novices who, in the end, brought neither funding nor realistic expectations to the equation. Campbell and Sehee might argue that Cassity avoided formalizing the partnership—and that, at Fernwood, his primary concern seemed to them to be not saving land and the environment but, simply, making a profit. Despite all the fury and the consultations with lawyers, though, both Campbell and Sehee really seemed to miss Cassity, and in my piece I write about what happened when they all tried to reconcile not long ago.

[ 30 September 2005: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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posted 30 September 2005 09:07 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Blondin:
I've donated my body to medicine but there is a proviso - they have to promise not to laugh.

Perhaps then, like Stephen Wright, you should donate your body to science fiction.

And Boom Boom - make sure that whoever will be in charge of your arrangements is aware of your wishes. No one is likely to read your will before the funeral - it's considered kind of tacky.

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Boom Boom
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posted 30 September 2005 09:42 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good point, RB. I'l give my priest instructions in an envelope kept for that purpose. She's a good friend and I trust her.
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DrConway
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posted 30 September 2005 09:46 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I always figured I'd just as well be cremated. It seems cremation is becoming a preferred practice in my family since both my grandparents on my dad's side were cremated, and when our dog died, she was also cremated.

But it has been a source of mystification that we insist on very expensive boxes when by rights we should do what our ancestors did for hundreds of thousands of years, which is bury the body in the ground and let decomposition get the rest, since it's not as though dead people need to be preserved.


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deBeauxOs
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posted 30 September 2005 10:32 PM      Profile for deBeauxOs     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
"Are Green Burials something new? In fact, green burials are as old as life itself. Before the practice of embalming and use of sealed caskets became the norm in North America (initially, because of the long distances human remains often needed to be transported), virtually all burials were green. Even today, in many small, rural cemeteries, it may still be possible to be buried “green.”.

posted by Southlander: I read that somewhere you can be wraped in a shroud, with no preservatives, and buried one metre down. they plant trees through the area, and optional memorial signs are around the edges. Anyone know where this is? Sounds like a good idea to me.

In BCthere is an organization, and here is some info about the rest of Canada.


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posted 30 September 2005 10:41 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
Good point, RB. I'l give my priest instructions in an envelope kept for that purpose. She's a good friend and I trust her.

I didn't read Abby and Ann for 30 years for nothing!


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posted 30 September 2005 10:43 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

I read Dear Abby for maybe five years, never much cared for her sister.


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