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josh
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posted 01 July 2003 12:25 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is Canada now "cool," at least compared to the U.S.? One American view:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54502-2003Jun30.html?nav=hptop_tb


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Smith
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posted 01 July 2003 12:34 PM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Aww. That was very very flattering.
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Michelle
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posted 01 July 2003 12:36 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
That's a Canada we recognize, where everyone speaks in a crisp nasal deadpan

A crisp, nasal deadpan!!

Apparently this writer hasn't been to Upstate New York! And Canadian bacon, indeed. That's back bacon, you hoser!

Seriously though, fun article.


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lagatta
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posted 01 July 2003 12:38 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Funny. But in a sense isn't it the US that is becoming "deviant" among major Western societies? In none other has organised religion, especially in its fundamentalist varieties, got such an influence, not even such formerly strong Catholic countries as Ireland or Italy. About the only other "Western" society I can think of where religion has so much importance any more is Poland, and that is due in large part to a reaction against Soviet-bloc imposed State atheism and the Pope as homeboy.
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Michelle
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posted 01 July 2003 12:45 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh my GOD, half of Americans agreed strongly or somewhat with the statement, "The father of the family must be the master in his own house."

Aaaaaaaaah!


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April Follies
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posted 01 July 2003 01:15 PM      Profile for April Follies   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now, Michelle really begins to understand my signature...
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Michelle
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posted 01 July 2003 01:18 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
April, come to Canada. Really. You can crash on my couch. We babblers can find lots of good ways to initiate promising American babblers into honourary Canadians.
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April Follies
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posted 01 July 2003 01:25 PM      Profile for April Follies   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Strongly tempted, believe you me. Have a couple of friends up B.C. way who say the same. Alas, I've checked the permanent resident requirements, and you need either (a) more money than I currently have on hand, or (b) a job offer. So, while I search for (b) and save up for (a)...

But the offer is deeply appreciated, and if some of my more paranoid imaginings come to pass, you might get a message from me.


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Smith
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posted 01 July 2003 01:27 PM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Funny. But in a sense isn't it the US that is becoming "deviant" among major Western societies?

Very much so.


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ValleyGirl
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posted 01 July 2003 01:40 PM      Profile for ValleyGirl        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I dunno...I still happily wear my "Nuke The Yanks" T-shirt,especially during Tourist Season.I've had it for twenty years,but,I have never receieved so many requests for copies until this year.
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Michelle
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posted 01 July 2003 01:44 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think if I saw a shirt like that, I would consider it hateful and offensive. What's the difference between wearing a shirt that says "Nuke the Yanks" and, say, "Nuke the Pakis"?
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Smith
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posted 01 July 2003 01:57 PM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, I would be pretty darn uncomfortable at the sight of a shirt like that myself. It crosses the line. I mean, it's a joke, I realise, but...the Yanks are all around us, you know? I would hate to make them feel like they're unwelcome here just because of where they're from.

On the other hand, if I saw a particularly stylin' "Drop Bush, Not Bombs" T-shirt...

[ 01 July 2003: Message edited by: Smith ]


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DrConway
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posted 01 July 2003 02:04 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
lagatta, you're not alone in your statement. The USA is indeed the odd nation out among the industrial nations, and I have remarked on the irony of the strong fundamentalist-Christian strain running through its politics, given that such religious interconnections with political systems tend to result in more repressive laws in the area of personal activity - witness the Drug War, or the fact that it took a Supreme Court decision to kill dead all the anti-sodomy laws on the books.

It is, of course, also no coincidence, IMHO, that the US generally comes in dead last in the quality of life stats in the industrial nations.

quote:
"We don't have Pat Buchanans and we don't have powerful religious movements shaping social policy the way you do," says Neil Nevitte, professor of political science at the University of Toronto, who also has measured national values.

I find this quote from the article to be quite revealing.


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April Follies
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posted 01 July 2003 02:13 PM      Profile for April Follies   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You have Stockwell Day - does that count?
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al-Qa'bong
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posted 01 July 2003 02:41 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not really, since Stockboy doesn't count.

I was talking with some friends from Europe (who have also lived in the USA and who are now Canadian citizens) last night, and they said there is a great difference between USians and Canadians.

They think we are more civilized than the Yanks, and that Canada is like Europe.


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Tommy_Paine
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posted 01 July 2003 05:25 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ah, but Stock's Fundamentalism played a big, if not central, role in his being turfed as Alliance leader. Not because the Alliance was particularly annoyed by it, but because it made him unelectable.
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ValleyGirl
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posted 02 July 2003 12:54 PM      Profile for ValleyGirl        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just A note on my T-shirt: I wanted to nuke every nation equally,but,it wouldn't fit on the shirt.Considering America has been the only nation,so far,to use these weapons of mass destruction upon our fellow human beings,(without a lot of remorse),I don't really feel like a hate-monger.It's a joke--albeit a slightly offensive,mean,and nasty one.Most people I have encountered,while wearing this shirt,including Americans,don't take personal offense.As a poet,I am pleased with the reaction generated by three simple words.Oddly enough,my shirt has inspired a lot of positive and peaceful dialogue with people from both sides of the border.The US Marines I encountered,during Seafest in 91,laughed the loudest.
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josh
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posted 03 July 2003 08:05 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another take on suddenly "cool" Canada:

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0703-10.htm


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'lance
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posted 03 July 2003 08:39 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Another take on suddenly "cool" Canada:

[ Canadian touchiness ]

Hey, hey, hey! Whaddya mean, "suddenly"? Don't you remember Trudeau? Glenn Gould? Pamela Anderson?

[ /Canadian touchiness ]

"Berkeley North," eh? I've heard worse. And this:

quote:
America invented itself, Canada sort of happened.

is maybe a bit glib, but succinct.


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kyall glennie
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posted 03 July 2003 08:43 PM      Profile for kyall glennie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I get all warm and fuzzy when I read articles like that. I have to say, this was my first Canada Day since 1993 that I was truly proud to be Canadian.

And then I have meetings with Mr. Intergovernmental Affairs himself, Stéphane Dion, who remind me how far we have yet to go in our society, and how little the federal government is actually doing to advance us.

The advancements that were discussed in the article - Gay Marriage, Decriminalisation, etc. came from people challenging the established notions. NOT the government challenging the notions of society. Canada is only a reflection of what it wants to be, and the Liberals aren't doing much to change that.

Minor rant, I guess. Just makes me acknowledge the tremendous work it takes to bring about such social change, and the tremendous work it's going to take to bring about even more. (free education!)


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josh
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posted 04 July 2003 08:39 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey 'lance I've always know that Canada is cool. I just find it funny that now others are starting to catch on.
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Pops
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posted 08 July 2003 03:25 PM      Profile for Pops        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by josh:
Hey 'lance I've always know that Canada is cool. I just find it funny that now others are starting to catch on.

Of course its cool - the climate don't cha know ??

If you're talking 'bout the PEOPLE/etc. nah, we're all uptight about whether everyone else thinks we're cool or not.
That and being SOOO poolitically correct we'd rather choke than admit that ( *insert whatever here* )privately bothers us


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Smith
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posted 08 July 2003 06:27 PM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
That and being SOOO poolitically correct we'd rather choke than admit that ( *insert whatever here* )privately bothers us

And that's a bad thing?

If something privately bothers me, does that automatically mean I should parade my personal discomfort all over the legislature and the newspapers and the streets of town?


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ronb
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posted 08 July 2003 07:01 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...only if you're Izzy Asper.
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