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CourtneyGQuinn
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posted 25 July 2005 02:58 PM      Profile for CourtneyGQuinn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
think its possible to use the power of cold and water to create a insulative habitat?

is it possible to use ice to trap heat?....can water and cold (two things Canada has alot of) be used to save energy?

think of concrete fourms used to make foundations....what if plastic sheets were used to trap water that turns into ice in cold weather?


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CourtneyGQuinn
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posted 25 July 2005 03:00 PM      Profile for CourtneyGQuinn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
who wants to create a company called "Ice Insulation"?
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paxamillion
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posted 25 July 2005 03:04 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Some variation of this has already been done. A contractor digs a trench around a house. In the trench goes platic tubing. The tubing is buried, with a connector to to a heat exchanger in the basement. The heat exchanger makes use of the the difference in temperature between air and earth to heat a home in winter and cool it in summer.

I forgot to mention that the tubing is filled with a circulating liquid.

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CourtneyGQuinn
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posted 25 July 2005 03:20 PM      Profile for CourtneyGQuinn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
paxamillion---

geothermal is a good idea....this idea is a bit different though....a geothermal house combined with ice insulation might be a very cheap way for Canadians to live

think of it as a self building/correcting igloo....two sheets of plastic a couple inches apart hanging off the roof....a water trickle device that would fill the freeze frame in time of ice wall melt....an automated, cheap way to insulate Northern homes....


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paxamillion
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posted 25 July 2005 03:26 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CourtneyGQuinn:
who wants to create a company called "Ice Insulation"?

Somehow I have never thought of Babble as a source of venture capital/partners.


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CourtneyGQuinn
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posted 25 July 2005 03:32 PM      Profile for CourtneyGQuinn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
pax

its not about the money...its about the ideas....i don't know why i posted (and am posting here)...but perhaps there's a reason


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 25 July 2005 03:44 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
is it possible to use ice to trap heat?....

No.

For one, ice has this nasty habit of melting when the heat goes above the freezing point. And when it dips below the freezing point, the ice is happy to dip along with it. The ice doesn't get any more solid, of course, but it gets colder.

Ice is not a good insulator.

Snow is much better, mainly because snow is mostly trapped air, and still air makes a good insulator (all good insulators, like down or fur, work because of trapped air). Problem is, you can't manufacture snow with the same trapped air that nature can.

Courtney, this is just another example of you putting your typing fingers in gear without bothering to do any investigation into what you're about to waste our time with.

Out of respect for other babblers, is there any chance you could maybe investigate the feasability of some of your ideas before taking them to publication? This isn't a forum for half-baked schemes and unrealistic plans. Please don't waste our time with nonsense. Do your research.


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EFA
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posted 25 July 2005 03:52 PM      Profile for EFA        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by paxamillion:
Some variation of this has already been done. A contractor digs a trench around a house. In the trench goes platic tubing. The tubing is buried, with a connector to to a heat exchanger in the basement. The heat exchanger makes use of the the difference in temperature between air and earth to heat a home in winter and cool it in summer.

This is geothermal heating. A friend of mine just had this installed and estimates it will pay for itself in 6 years or less.


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BleedingHeart
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posted 25 July 2005 03:58 PM      Profile for BleedingHeart   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
Courtney, this is just another example of you putting your typing fingers in gear without bothering to do any investigation into what you're about to waste our time with.

But what is Babble if not time well wasted?


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CourtneyGQuinn
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posted 25 July 2005 04:03 PM      Profile for CourtneyGQuinn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
yes, yes Mr.Magoo...i'm sorry for wasting .000000322 of you GB bandwidth and harddrive.....excuse me for making you have to download such drivel and wasting .0000000022 kW on you hydro bill....

and i know a little/bit about trapping heat...i know using soap bubbles is a cheap and excellent way.....i know using simple ballons in your attic is cheap and good as well.....heck you can even make a rather insulating window blind/shutter with a .49 cents roll of tin foil....

say what?


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 25 July 2005 04:08 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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yes, yes Mr.Magoo...i'm sorry for wasting .000000322 of you GB bandwidth and harddrive.....excuse me for making you have to download such drivel and wasting .0000000022 kW on you hydro bill....

I'm just trying to point out that babble, and babblers, aren't here to save you the trouble of actually having to research your ideas yourself.

Could you be a little less lazy, and maybe do some initial research to find out if your ideas are even remotely workable before bouncing them off us? Is that really too much to ask?

With whatever respect you're due, you've yet to present us with even a single idea that wasn't stupid. Why is that? Do you perchance have some obscure mental illness that makes you think everything you thing of is an awesome idea that you need to share with strangers? I've heard of people who have an inflated sense of self-worth... do you have the same thing, except that it's an inflated sense of the worth of your ideas?

Why not insulate with bees, if you just want to be retarded about it? Once you're heating with bees, why not just do everything with bees? Bees, bees bees!


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James
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posted 25 July 2005 04:11 PM      Profile for James        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:

why not just do everything with bees? Bees, bees bees!

I suppose the logical response would be " Nun'a yer beezwax"


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posted 25 July 2005 04:12 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i might be a bit slow, but if ice is not a good insulator, what's the deal with igloos?
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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 25 July 2005 04:14 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
magoo: e = m bee squared
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 25 July 2005 04:17 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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James
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posted 25 July 2005 04:20 PM      Profile for James        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Willowdale Wizard:
i might be a bit slow, but if ice is not a good insulator, what's the deal with igloos?

I might be a bit slow, but what's the connection between ice and igloos ?

IANAE, and I don't wish to humour Courtney, but ice is a perfect insulator between +0 C and -0 C, for a time. It achieves that by self progressively destructing, into liquid H2O from the positive side outward.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 25 July 2005 04:25 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's also worth noting that Igloos are popular in areas where the only other building material is your own hair. Perfect or not, you'll go with what there is.

Also, igloos aren't made of solid ice, they're made from hard packed snow, which contains enough air to be a reasonable insulator. That is, until you raise the internal temperature enough, and then it naturally melts.


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posted 25 July 2005 07:37 PM      Profile for EFA        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't want to open up old wounds but could somebody explain about the bee theory again? Sadly, that was before my time.
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