babble home
rabble.ca - news for the rest of us
today's active topics


Post New Topic  Post A Reply
FAQ | Forum Home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» babble   » right brain babble   » humanities & science   » Nuclear propelled aircraft?

Email this thread to someone!    
Author Topic: Nuclear propelled aircraft?
Agent 204
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 4668

posted 09 October 2004 07:52 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:

...its nuclear reactor is unlike any other. Rather than split heavy elements or fuse light atoms--as in fission and fusion reactors--it will use what is known as a triggered isomer reaction. If this new powerplant, called a quantum nucleonic reactor, performs as scientists expect, its effect on the aircraft industry may prove as revolutionary as the introduction of the jet engine.

Here's the article. Since Hf-178 is not radioactive, this would seem to be much safer than a fission reactor, but does anyone have an idea of how realistic this idea is?


From: home of the Guess Who | Registered: Nov 2003  |  IP: Logged
DrConway
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 490

posted 10 October 2004 12:40 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My summer project was on nuclear isomer states, and specifically on that isomer.

There is some dispute in the literature as to whether or not the triggered isomer transition and the "re-energization" of Hafnium-178 is (a) actually possible and (b) if possible, there are doubts as to feasibility. (The one for Tantalum is known to happen, but there may be nuclear-structure reasons for this and there is no guarantee that the shell structure for Tantalum versus Hafnium is similar enough to warrant making the claim of triggered Hafnium isomer decays before full investigation)

One of the cited reasons for doubting the triggered-decay claim is that the orbital electrons will tend to absorb a roughly 40 keV X-ray burst, so that the likely result of such will simply be Auger electrons or resonant X-rays. The transition probability is not zero for transferring that X-ray energy to the nucleus, but it is on the order of 1 in 1000. This would, presumably, lower the effective cross-section and render the matter of theoretical use only.

A somewhat technical article on the Hafnium Controversy

[ 10 October 2004: Message edited by: DrConway ]


From: You shall not side with the great against the powerless. | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Agent 204
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 4668

posted 10 October 2004 02:36 AM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ah, someone who knows about these things.

So what is a "nuclear isomer" anyway? I know a chemical isomer is a rearrangement of the same atoms, and an isotope is a nucleide with the same atomic number but different atomic mass. What exactly is a nuclear isomer?


From: home of the Guess Who | Registered: Nov 2003  |  IP: Logged
DrConway
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 490

posted 10 October 2004 06:19 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A nuclear isomer is an excited state of a nucleus whose lifetime is longer than 10-9 seconds. The terminology, IMHO, is misleading since it implies an equivalency between the usage of the term in chemistry and in physics, but I wasn't around when they started coming up with these terms, so... y'know.

The other major difference between chemical isomers and nuclear isomers is that chemical isomers are often not very distinct energetically - i.e. the cis and trans isomers of alkenes might have slightly different bond and combustion energies, but that's about it. Nuclear isomers, though, are distinct energetically since by definition they are not ground-state nuclear configurations.


From: You shall not side with the great against the powerless. | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Agent 204
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 4668

posted 10 October 2004 11:19 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay. I think I sort of get it. I remember the concept of ground states vs. excited states with electrons; so "nuclear isomers" are the same thing happening to the nucleus. But from what you say about their lifetimes, it sounds like "tautomers" would be a better term than "isomers". Am I on the right track?
From: home of the Guess Who | Registered: Nov 2003  |  IP: Logged
DrConway
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 490

posted 11 October 2004 03:03 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think "tautomer" might be a worse name, even, since the term is usually restricted to explaning why ketones can form enols.

Anyway, since nucleons are fermions, just as electrons are, there are strongly analogous properties, such as the presence of discrete energy levels, and the ability to do single-particle excitations from ground-state to excited-state configurations.

However, one key difference in the quantum mechanics involved is that first of all, the discrete-energy-level model (the "shell model") has to take into account the strong interaction, so that so-called spin multiplicity is not preferred for nucleons. Additionally, spin-orbit coupling is very strong in the shell model, so the energy levels become more complicated to deal with. Then you have to throw into the mix the experimentally established existence of nuclear dipole and quadrupole moments, which implies distortion of nuclei away from spherical shapes, which means the shell model becomes less useful in certain regions of the chart of isotopes, further requiring resort to so-called "Nilsson levels" and/or the "collective model", which is used to explain why rotational effects are seen in nuclei.

As far as spectroscopy goes, one major difference is that nuclear rotational/vibrational/single-particle-type excitations all overlap in energy and are often hard to distinguish when sorting out gamma-ray cascades, as opposed to atomic/molecular electron excitaions, molecular vibrations and molecular rotations which all have characteristic energies which are distinct from each other.

Atomic/molecular excitations are usually in the visible-light or X-ray region, while vibrations are in the infrared and rotations in the microwave region.

You can see one of the major reasons why chemical spectroscopy is a lot easier to understand and handle than nuclear spectroscopy.

I could go on for quite some time, but I'll stop here.

Suffice it to say that isomer-states research is important on purely theoretical grounds, since understanding why hold-ups at excited states exist (as far as I know there is no good analog in chemistry for the existence of long-lived excited atomic states; however, phosphorescence does offer a slightly useful analog in understanding how certain "forbidden" transitions lead to a hold-up at a high-energy configuration for some time before leading to a return to the ground state. However, phosphorescence is well-understood and is routinely used as an experimental tool. Nuclear isomerism is still fraught with theoretical models that don't seem to bear out experimentally). As mentioned in the parenthetical statement, grasping more fully why we get isomer states in some nuclei and not others will lead to a better understanding of the basic building-blocks of nature.


From: You shall not side with the great against the powerless. | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged

All times are Pacific Time  

Post New Topic  Post A Reply Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
Hop To:

Contact Us | rabble.ca | Policy Statement

Copyright 2001-2008 rabble.ca