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Topic: Govt Conspiracies - JFK (not 9/11!!!)
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obscurantist
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posted 05 March 2007 03:01 PM
Reposted from the thread about WTC 7 (feel free to reply to it here, there, or both -- or neither!): quote: Originally posted by SavageInTheCity: Sort of off-topic, but not quite...Since this thread has some varying opinions, im intrigued....so I have to ask: Do you believe Oswald killed Kennedy alone, three shots from the depositary, of which 1 bullet turned 11 (im guessing) times before being found completely intact?
Well, it's not totally off-topic, because I think it points to another possibility in between a giant evil MIC 9-11 conspiracy and the simple fog of muddled and contradictory information: namely, that governments sometimes cover up things that have the potential to embarrass them. I don't know precisely what elements in the U.S. government might want to hide about 9-11 if it isn't their own involvement in it, but it could be their own incompetence in failing to put together the pieces and figure out about the plot in advance. It could be that there was something in particular about WTC 7, unrelated to the 9-11 plot, that people wanted to hide -- after all, it was an office / storage area for government departments who dealt with highly restricted information. In the case of the JFK assassination, it's perhaps easier to divine motives for a cover-up. Oswald had connections to anti-Castro Cubans who in turn had connections to the Mob. Both of these groups had their reasons for hating JFK. And both were involved in US government efforts to kill Castro. Perhaps the Mob and / or the anti-Castro Cubans killed Kennedy, maybe using two or more shooters. People in the US government then covered this up out of fear that a full investigation would lead to their anti-Castro plots being exposed, which could've had consequences for them personally, for internal US public opinion of the government in general, and for US-Soviet relations. The most interesting theory I've heard of JFK's death is that he was killed by the accidental discharge of a Secret Service agent's rifle. You can imagine that some people might want to cover something like THAT up. Although I don't think the theory is supported by the facts.
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SavageInTheCity
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posted 06 March 2007 02:55 PM
I asked the question....its impolite not to answer ones question isnt it?Based on the tone of the question, I take it most of you get my viewpoint. Oswald didnt even fire a shot, probably wasnt even in the depositary. What happened, we will never know. Theres a video on video.google.com that makes a point of saying George Bush (Papa Bush) was involved in the assassination. Makes some intriguing points.....Like Papa Bush was in Dallas the day of, WAS working for CIA, lied about it later, had connections to everyone involved, 3 known CIA hitmen linked to Papa Bush were dispatched to Dallas in the right time frame. Im not sure what to think of it, but when it comes to the USA, WHO KNOWS?
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SavageInTheCity
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posted 06 March 2007 03:13 PM
Cueball, if i wasnt clear, I was needling MYSELF for not giving my view in the opening post.Not searching for a fight....if i was id simply call you a commu....ummm....forget that... SITC ETA - that was an attempt at humor.....nothing more! [ 06 March 2007: Message edited by: SavageInTheCity ]
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Cueball
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posted 06 March 2007 03:16 PM
That wasn't clear. quote: I asked the question....its impolite not to answer ones question isnt it?
...it does not say "its impolite not to answer ones own question." But I can see how one would write it that way. Its an easy enough mistake to make. It seemed to me that you were needling Obscurantist for not answering, and being evasive by talking up counter theories. Sorry. [ 06 March 2007: Message edited by: Cueball ]
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obscurantist
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posted 06 March 2007 03:45 PM
Well, I already warned people in the WTC 7 thread -- if no one replies to my point, I really will start a "Discuss 9-11 from an Elizabeth-May-style, 'nuanced' point of view" thread. Just watch me. Maybe my point was a bit murky. I can try to expand on it if that'd be helpful, but I don't have time to right now. I will say that I think the official version of the JFK assassination doesn't hold up, certainly not from the perspective of basic physics or ballistics, and probably not from the perspective of Oswald as the killer, based on both his unclear motives and his apparent lack of marksmanship skills. I think there's more to the story than that, and I think that various people in positions of power in the States have either known or speculated as much, and have tried to obscure some of the factual record for fear of where a full inquiry might lead. What I'm less decided about is what the real story is, and whether elements of the U.S. government were involved in the assassination itself, or simply in an after-the-fact damage-control effort.
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Cueball
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posted 06 March 2007 04:26 PM
Yes, you take a similar scenario, in say 1960, in the USSR, and say that a lone gunman, who has spent a few years visiting the US, and a former soldier, returns to the USSR only to a little while later shoot Nikita Kruscheov, only to himself be killed by a former Moscow militiaman who is conveniently dying of cancer, and I doubt you would find a serious western journalist who would suggest that it was not most likely a coup. Meanwhile of course, Pravda's version of the events, and the summary of the Politburo investigation would be dismissed as agitprop, without question.Whatever the case, it would not be dismissed as "conspiracy theory." In fact as similar story can be found in Soviet history, and that is the killing of Kirov the Leningrad Party boss in 1931, and the theory that Stalin had a hand in Kirov's assassination is widely accepted, and based on little to no concrete proof other than conjecture, and stray dilinquencies in the official version of events. [ 06 March 2007: Message edited by: Cueball ]
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