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Hailey
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posted 14 November 2004 06:52 AM      Profile for Hailey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/story.jsp?story=582040

I didn't realize how close this was to being a reality


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Black Dog
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posted 15 November 2004 12:46 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
About freaking time.
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posted 15 November 2004 01:17 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
However, two of the nine monkeys did not respond to the vaccine and two more did not regain their fertility during the lifetime of the experiment, said Michael O'Rand of Duke University in Durham, North Carolina.


There's a few wrinkles left to be ironed out, I reckon.

*pedantry*

Males already have a surefire method of birth control - they don't have wombs.

*/pedantry*


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 15 November 2004 01:20 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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About freaking time.

With all the concern over oral contraceptives for women, you're telling me you're in a big hurry to take a pill? Hey, if you want your antibodies to make your testes "Pubic enemy #1", have at it.


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miles
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posted 15 November 2004 01:24 PM      Profile for miles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
now teenage boys can have something totally different to be embassed about when asking the pharmacist.

but does this not go head to head with abstinance policies


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Hephaestion
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posted 15 November 2004 01:53 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Of course, there has always been the "low tech" method of male birth control...

WARNING!! Not Safe For Work!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Hephaestion/mensbirthcontrol.jpg

(and noooooo that's not a personal pic!)


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quote:
Originally posted by miles:
now teenage boys can have something totally different to be embassed about when asking the pharmacist.

Not really. Unless she's in a committed relationship with a guy, a woman would have to be a blithering idiot to take his word that he's had his injection.

In practical terms, I think it would need to be a patch or oral contraceptive. Something that requires a visit to the doctor every 3 weeks isn't a practical form of birth control.


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posted 15 November 2004 05:10 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What exactly would a male contraceptive do?
would it reduce sexual pleasure?
What uses could it be put to?

*shifts uncomfortably in chair*

[ 15 November 2004: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]


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The article gives details. It seems like it interferes in the "activation" of sperm. As such it shouldn't have any effect on pleasure, sex drive or ejaculation.

Heph, perhaps Audra could use that picture for when she locks threads.


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posted 15 November 2004 07:19 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:
The article gives details. It seems like it interferes in the "activation" of sperm. As such it shouldn't have any effect on pleasure, sex drive or ejaculation.

Heph, perhaps Audra could use that picture for when she locks threads.


Weee!


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posted 15 November 2004 07:22 PM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Never! !
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Puetski Murder
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posted 15 November 2004 07:35 PM      Profile for Puetski Murder     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
In practical terms, I think it would need to be a patch or oral contraceptive. Something that requires a visit to the doctor every 3 weeks isn't a practical form of birth control.

Exactly. Plus I'm not so interested in male birth control and I imagine men feel similarily. Let's perfect female birth control first, and then tinker around with a male version.


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Hephaestion
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posted 15 November 2004 07:39 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:
Heph, perhaps Audra could use that picture for when she locks threads.

**muffled giggles**


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posted 15 November 2004 08:33 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Vansterdam Kid:
Never! !

What do you mean Never!

If it doesn't reduce sexual pleasure, why complain?
I'm sure they'll test it before they put it on the market just to make sure it won't reduce your sperm count ........ maybe.
On second thought, if drug companies can bugger up birth-control pills, why should we trust them with a male contraceptive?


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Vansterdam Kid
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posted 16 November 2004 03:16 AM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm talking about the picutre! Ouch! Audra can't use it!
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posted 16 November 2004 07:29 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Puetski Murder:
Let's perfect female birth control first

They have. It's called lesbianism.

100% Natural, 100% Reliable and it actually increases the frequency of orgasm.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 16 November 2004 10:20 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And as the beer commercial says, "Tastes great/less filling".
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Hailey
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posted 16 November 2004 10:28 AM      Profile for Hailey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Unless she's in a committed relationship with a guy, a woman would have to be a blithering idiot to take his word that he's had his injection.

RB who is going to climb into bed with someone that they think is lying to them and not trustworthy? I would think most women would trust their partner with this.


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miles
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posted 16 November 2004 11:02 AM      Profile for miles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just a thought if a man can trust the woman to be taking the pill. Why can't the woman trust the man?
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posted 16 November 2004 11:45 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by miles:
Just a thought if a man can trust the woman to be taking the pill. Why can't the woman trust the man?

Because she's the one who ends up pregnant and, on the whole, I am betting there are way more men who would lie about being on the male "pill" in order to get women into bed without wearing a condom then there are women who would lie about being on the pill in order to trap a man into involuntary fatherhood.

Of course a woman is perfectly free to take the word of the guy she met at the bar last night that he's "on the pill." Just as I'm perfectly free to think she'd have to be a blithering idiot.


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posted 16 November 2004 05:01 PM      Profile for weirdermantis     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:
[QB]

Because she's the one who ends up pregnant and, on the whole, I am betting there are way more men who would lie about being on the male "pill" in order to get women into bed without wearing a condom then there are women who would lie about being on the pill in order to trap a man into involuntary fatherhood.
QB]



Unless you happen to play in the NBA.


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Doug
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posted 16 November 2004 05:03 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hailey:

I would think most women would trust their partner with this.

Trusting someone enough to have protected sex with is a lot lower (for most people) standard of trust than for unprotected sex. That requires trusting that someone is presently disease-free, isn't having unprotected sex with others and is using birth control pills and using them correctly. Someone saying they're all of that might be mistaken, too - you don't know for sure until you've known them intimately for long enough. Some STDs can take weeks or months to show symptoms, monogamy isn't a given on the first encounter and all it takes to screw up birth control for women is one forgotten pill - this may be different for the men's version, but who knows? Either way, I think it's essential to see to one's own contraceptive/prophylactic needs and not just trust in someone else until you're definitely in a long-term monogamous relationship.


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posted 16 November 2004 05:06 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Puetski Murder:

Exactly. Plus I'm not so interested in male birth control and I imagine men feel similarily. Let's perfect female birth control first, and then tinker around with a male version.


I'm not so interested in FEMALE birth control. Let's make this a male problem for a while


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 16 November 2004 05:22 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would think that whomever can get pregnant without it is whose problem it really is, 'taking turns' notwithstanding.
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posted 16 November 2004 05:33 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, I disagree too. It sucks that women are the ones who get pregnant, but I personally would rather be the one to take charge of birth control for myself when it's my body and my life at stake. I'd love there to be a utopia when all men care as much about my safety as I do, but until then, I don't find it very empowering to say, "Here, you deal with that."
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I take thyroid and three asthma/allergy medicines daily, and from my compliance rate I know that it would be a really bad idea for anyone to rely on me for birth control.
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posted 16 November 2004 05:42 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fortunately, RB, birth control is not liable to be something you have to be concerned about.
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posted 16 November 2004 05:47 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why, is RB infertile?

Just so you know, I've had to worry about birth control. And no, you can't ask.


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posted 16 November 2004 05:50 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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audra trower williams
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posted 16 November 2004 05:54 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Michelle. Fair. I just think it's obnoxious for men to be all like "I'm not intersested in birth control for me."
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 16 November 2004 05:55 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As Michelle's avatar seems to be reminding us, oral sex is still good birth control.
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That's not what it was. She was thinking about something smutty or complicated, or...something. Rest assured, Michelle, it wasn't that interesting.
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posted 16 November 2004 06:26 PM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by audra trower williams:

I'm not so interested in FEMALE birth control. Let's make this a male problem for a while


Yeah, exactly. It's been our 'problem' for 3,000 years, let men worry about it for a while.


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Good luck with that. You can't even get men to accept responsibility for the children they do have, much less the ones they might theoretically create in a moment when they've only got one other thing on their minds.

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posted 16 November 2004 09:44 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It seems like a reasonable idea to me, though I'd like to know more about how it works.

Thing is, the social consequences of this could be double-edged. I could see some guys using this as an excuse to be reckless. Guys who are scared of paternity suits but don't like condoms. The result? Quite possibly, an increase in AIDS and other STDs.

Still, properly used it seems like a fine innovation.


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posted 16 November 2004 11:30 PM      Profile for Puetski Murder     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think men should be completely removed from the responsibility of manufacturing children, I just don't think I'd be very at ease trusting a man with my reproductive fate.
Especially when there are gaps in current women ingested birth control, man birth control just feels short sighted.

What would interest me is a marketing campaign geared to men. It would make the whole "I'm on Alesse...what's Alesse?" campaign seem totally dated.


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Of course if both people were taking birth control there would be less chance for an unforseen pregnancy.
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What Puetski said. For me, I don't want to cause a pregnancy, so I'd welcome something like this, for me. And I really don't like hearing men saying 'Why should I bother, it's not my problem' in response to it. Im' thinking particularly of some 'couples' interviews on male birth control where the man said 'I'm not going to do that!' and the woman said 'Oh, tee-hee, he's so macho, *sigh*'

But the potential for miscommunication and outright lying is there, and the woman would bear the brunt of that kind of mistake, so even if it does work and is safe, I doubt it'll revolutionize anything. I see it primarily as offering an alternative to vasectomy for men.


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