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Snuckles
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posted 02 September 2008 12:20 PM      Profile for Snuckles   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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“Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution,” wrote the late Ukrainian geneticist Theodosius Dobzhansky, who found evidence for evolution by studying the genetic varietals of fruit flies. To most scientists, Darwinian evolution is the unifying principle of biology, as solid and significant as Newtonian gravity or Copernican heliocentrism. But you wouldn’t guess it from its place in Canada’s school system.

In all but one provincial science curriculum, evolution is relegated to a single unit in a Grade 11 or 12 elective course taken by a sliver of each graduating class. It would not be a stretch to say the majority of Canadian high school students graduate without ever encountering Darwin’s theory of natural selection.

Only Quebec, which rolled out a new curriculum in 2004, includes evolution among key concepts in elementary school science classes and mandates a full unit of evolution in a compulsory Grade 7-8 science class.

Science teachers across Canada have expressed regret about the near-absence of evolution from their curricula, but politicians have been reluctant to address the issue. Patricia MacNeill, a spokesperson for Ontario’s Ministry of Education, says much of the onus is on teachers and boards to introduce the topic themselves. “It doesn’t mean the topic wouldn’t come up in earlier science classes,” MacNeill says.

Canada’s provincial governments take a similar approach to private religious schools, which are allowed to teach creationism as an alternative to evolution in science class. The curriculum at faith schools is designed on a stakeholder model, where sensitive issues such as sex education and evolution are dealt with according to the wishes and expectations of parents. As such, there is little assurance that the more than 63,000 students in Canada’s Christian schools are taught about evolution, but considerable assurance that they’re getting a taste of creationism.

It should come as no surprise, then, that some evangelical private schools in Quebec teach creationism as a “better theory,” as the Ottawa Citizen reported in October 2006, or that the public school board in Abbotsford, B.C., taught “creation science” alongside evolution for over a decade.

Aside from being all but snubbed in the Canadian curriculum, evolution runs into other problems in the classroom. Leesa Blake, vice-president of the Science Teachers’ Association of Ontario, says those who teach evolution feel “threatened” by parents or students to teach an alternative, or ill-equipped to handle the topic.


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500_Apples
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posted 02 September 2008 12:32 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They compare evolution to Newtonian gravity, but as far as I recall they didn't talk about Newtonian gravity until grade 11, and that was only for those choosing to take physics. There was no discussion of points such as elliptical orbits or action at a distance, which were necessary for a proper understanding of Newtonian physics.

Newtonian gravity is also an easier concept, at that level it's merely F = Gm1m2/r^2. High school students for the most have trouble with rudimentary concepts such as the quadratic equation, basic grammar or achieving semi-fluency in a second language. It would be incredibly ambitious to expect evolution to be universally understood among high school students in Canada.


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posted 02 September 2008 12:47 PM      Profile for Trevormkidd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Originally posted by 500_Apples:

It would be incredibly ambitious to expect evolution to be universally understood among high school students in Canada.


I disagree. The basics of evolution are pretty simple. I personally think that at the start of a unit on evolution they should play the 7 part PBS series on evolution (and possibly the unofficial 8th part on the Dover trial) for two reasons. First it is a good introduction not just to what evolution is, but the history of its development, and the wide variety of modern uses of the theory. Second, and more importantly in my opinion, it would make it harder for the religious nutter students to protest, interupt and disturb every single thing the teacher tries to teach which in the case of the single day my highschool biology tried to teach us evolution was the case. He gave up, and I can't say I blame him.

The most popular first year University biology textbook is Campbell's "Biology." I have the 7th edition and the units dedicated to evolution run over 300 pages, and the rest of the textbook is linked to evolution on almost every page. I am not asking for that type of knowledge. However, the McGraw-Hill "Highschool Biology 12" has almost 100 pages on evolution (the pages are also considerably less dense than Campbell's) and I see no reason why I should not have been taught that information in highschool.


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posted 02 September 2008 12:58 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Trevormkidd:

I disagree. The basics of evolution are pretty simple. I personally think that at the start of a unit on evolution they should play the 7 part PBS series on evolution (and possibly the unofficial 8th part on the Dover trial) for two reasons. First it is a good introduction not just to what evolution is, but the history of its development, and the wide variety of modern uses of the theory. Second, and more importantly in my opinion, it would make it harder for the religious nutter students to protest, interupt and disturb every single thing the teacher tries to teach which in the case of the single day my highschool biology tried to teach us evolution was the case. He gave up, and I can't say I blame him.

The most popular first year University biology textbook is Campbell's "Biology." I have the 7th edition and the units dedicated to evolution run over 300 pages, and the rest of the textbook is linked to evolution on almost every page. I am not asking for that type of knowledge. However, the McGraw-Hill "Highschool Biology 12" has almost 100 pages on evolution (the pages are also considerably less dense than Campbell's) and I see no reason why I should not have been taught that information in highschool.


Trevor,

You may not find the basics too difficult, but from what I've seen you are a scientifically literate man. Do you remember high school where many could not understand logarithms or memorize which country was on which side in world war II?

That book you refer to, does the 12 mean it's for grade 12? And then is it only for the top students of the grade 12 class, those who are still taking science classes?

That PBS documentary would take up 8 hours of class time, or so I estimate as you said 8 episodes. I had a biology class in grade 9 (high school) and in second year CEGEP, and in both those cases 8 hours would have been over 2 weeks of lectures, a substantial fraction of the time. What do you propose cutting out of the current biology curriculum, or of the curriculum of other subjects, in order to make room?

ETA: At the time many quebec high schools had a second high school biology class in grade 11. Ours didn't have it because it was an optional class and our school was too small, sort of like how we didn't get to derivatives in high school math class.

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M. Spector
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posted 02 September 2008 01:28 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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It would not be a stretch to say the majority of Canadian high school students graduate without ever encountering Darwin’s theory of natural selection.
It's a scandal!

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posted 02 September 2008 03:34 PM      Profile for Trevormkidd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
That book you refer to, does the 12 mean it's for grade 12? And then is it only for the top students of the grade 12 class, those who are still taking science classes?

Yes, I agree that the text I mentioned would be only for the top students of the grade 12 class. But, it is almost 100 pages and would give them a decent understanding of evolution, other students though who take biology classes at a less advanced level should still be given a basic understanding of evolution.

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That PBS documentary would take up 8 hours of class time, or so I estimate as you said 8 episodes. I had a biology class in grade 9 (high school) and in second year CEGEP, and in both those cases 8 hours would have been over 2 weeks of lectures, a substantial fraction of the time. What do you propose cutting out of the current biology curriculum, or of the curriculum of other subjects, in order to make room?

Yes it runs 8 hours. I can't say for sure how the school curiculum is in Ontario now. But I suspect they have biology in grades 11 and 12 (as I had biology in 11 and OAC), but again I have no idea. I can't say what should be removed, but as the quote says at the very top: “Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution,” and right now they are not being taught that basic concept very well. I suspect that many students would learn more in that 8 hours than they would in 20 hours of lectures. And of course, they don't have to watch the whole series in class. The first episode alone would be a great start. Of course I am biased as I love the series and have probably watched it a half-dozen times.


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posted 02 September 2008 07:46 PM      Profile for Policywonk     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I never took any biology past grade 10 science (in 1969-70) as opposed to physics, chemistry and mathematics), but then again I read a lot, so I understand at least the basics darwinian evolution.

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posted 02 September 2008 08:15 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Those remarks ring a bell for me as well. I ignored the study of biology in high school, having much keener interest in Math, Physics, Chemistry and Earth Sciences. It was only years later I realized that the reason I found the teaching of Biology so boring was that the guiding thread that helped to make sense of it all was missing.
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posted 03 September 2008 10:13 AM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Originally posted by N.Beltov:
Those remarks ring a bell for me as well. I ignored the study of biology in high school, having much keener interest in Math, Physics, Chemistry and Earth Sciences. It was only years later I realized that the reason I found the teaching of Biology so boring was that the guiding thread that helped to make sense of it all was missing.

That's a very interesting way of looking at it.

I did not so much find biology boring as I was bad at it. Physics was a small number of "hard" concepts, whereas in biology you had to memorize hundreds of different things and I didn't succeed. But I guess these two perspectives are not mutually exclusive.


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posted 03 September 2008 10:37 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I should add that there was another factor for me. I had to drop some recommended University entrance courses, among others, as I had missed a considerable amount of schooling due to hospitalization and recovery from a serious motorcycle accident. My focus in my recovery was learning to walk again. It took a lot more of my attention than I imagined it would.

I am happy to report that my recovery was successful. But the biology, wood shop, metal shop, and some other courses, etc., all had to go.


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M. Spector
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posted 22 September 2008 06:55 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Evolution off the curriculum in Ontario
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Very weird. As a survivor of the Catholic School system in Alberta, I clearly remember evolution being covered in grades 7 and 9 (not in depth, but as part of the core curriculum) -- not certain about High School, we were only required to take courses in two of three science areas (Physics, Chemistry and Biology) and only one of those through all three years - Chemistry was easiest, just math at that point.

I also remember a religious studies course (early 1970s, they had changed the name from catechism) in grade 7 or 8 where the nun teaching us went on at some length about evolution not being incompatible with Catholic doctrine [nun voice]Genesis is a parable children, the important thing is at some point God infused humans with a soul[/nun voice]

I wonder, do the Catholic boards in Ontario suffer from the same disfunction about teaching evolution as the Public boards?

[on a side note, "religious studies" was the one class most likely to provoke rebellious reactions from the students... as an indoctrination tool it wasn't terribly effective]


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M. Spector
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Originally posted by bagkitty:
I wonder, do the Catholic boards in Ontario suffer from the same disfunction about teaching evolution as the Public boards?
The Catholic boards are supposed to teach the same science curriculum as the public ones.

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Martha (but not Stewart)
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I chose a random high school in the Toronto Catholic District School Board, to see what they teach in Biology class. The school is Michael Power/St. Joseph High School (I am guessing it's an amalgamation of two high schools, Michael Power and St. Joseph -- I chose it because I'd heard of it.) A few clicks lead to the web page forthis unit in Grade 12 Biology. The second part of the unit is here.

It's heartening that evolution is taught -- as far as I can tell, properly. It's a bit disheartening that students don't get this until Grade 12.


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posted 22 September 2008 08:50 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What ever made you think that it was not taught? You read it on an internet blog somewhere?

This stuff is somewhere in the vein of that email that goes around saying, that the Holocoaust is "not longer taught", in this or that jurisdiction, univeristy, college, or high school, because it offend Muslims and they are preassuring the establishment. The most recent version of this ended up in the UK.

Of course, it was bollocks, and ignorant fundamentalist fearmongering, as is this thread.

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I thought Catholic Church people said they have no problem with the theory of evolution? What's all the fuss? Meanwhile, Behe is still at it ...

"The Sophisticated Nanotechnology of the Cell Reeks of Design" Michael Behe

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