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Coulter is the most visible and vociferous of the conservative fembots (hereafter known as the CFs) who have emerged in the last few years. Her mob-hit style of discourse is captured by David Brock in his tinny, gossipy mea culpa "Blinded by the Right" when he quotes her, speaking in reference to Bill Clinton, wondering whether it would be better "to impeach or assassinate."

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Did you hear about her idea a few months back when she suggested that military invasion of Afghanistan was not quite enough, but that they should kill the muslim leaders and convert them to christianity?

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Yes, that was the first time I'd heard of her. I guess that ws more months ago than I'd thought.

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Debating her on her "ideas" does about as much good as kicking a retarded puppy. She has no ideas and she's not a thinker.

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As far back as 1914, criminologist H.H. Goddard concluded that "25 percent to 50 percent of the people in our prisons are mentally defective and incapable of managing their affairs with ordinary prudence." Crimes of violence in particular -- murder, rape and assault -- are all correlated with low IQs.

Thus, the Supreme Court has now prohibited the death penalty for precisely those people who are most likely to commit death-penalty level crimes.

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I thought this line was cute, too:

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As noted in the excellent new book, "Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right," liberals acknowledge the concept of IQ only when attacking Republican presidential candidates or trying to spring a criminal from death row. The court has prohibited IQ tests from being used in hiring as a violation of the Civil Rights Act (Griggs v. Duke Power Co.). But to limit a killer's culpability, IQ tests are evidently completely reliable.

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As far back as 1914, criminologist H.H. Goddard concluded that "25 percent to 50 percent of the people in our prisons are mentally defective and incapable of managing their affairs with ordinary prudence." Crimes of violence in particular -- murder, rape and assault -- are all correlated with low IQs.

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Priceless, that. Coulter obviously doesn't know -- or, worse yet, doesn't care -- that Goddard's work was consigned to the ash-heap of sociology decades ago.

If I remember right, he was the guy who developed a hierarchy of intelligence among the European nations, with Italians having lower IQs than Brits, and Slavs being dumber than bags of perogies.

This on the basis of IQ tests he conducted at Ellis Island in New York. He'd approach tense and exhausted immigrants fresh off the boat from wherever, and conduct his tests, often enough on people who spoke no English.

Ann Coulter doesn't stick out on that show, but is just one of a number of "blonde Republicans" (hereafter referred to as "telebimbos").

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No matter what defeatist tack liberals take, real Americans are behind our troops 100 percent, behind John Ashcroft 100 percent, behind locking up suspected terrorists 100 percent, behind surveillance of Arabs 100 percent. Liberals become indignant when you question their patriotism, but simultaneously work overtime to give terrorists a cushion for the next attack and laugh at dumb Americans who love their country and hate the enemy.

During World War II, George Orwell said of England's pacifists: "Since pacifists have more freedom of action in countries where traces of democracy survive, pacifism can act more effectively against democracy than for it. Objectively, the pacifist is pro-Nazi."

To paraphrase Orwell, in this war, those who cannot stay focused on fighting the enemy are objectively pro-terrorist.

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They rose to prominence, mostly, for their atacks on Clinton.

Coulter has a new website here

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Can I do it elsewhere? There are a few boards that I would'nt mind trolling in such a manner.

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I have to admit, I have this sexual kind of thing for right wing bimbos. I dream of taking Ann out for lunch at a nice Italian restaurant, me with my seafood linguini, Ann with her customary two tick-tacks, having fevered arguments that end in passionate french kissing that idle watchers might confuse with violence as much as affection.

Who knows, if you caught Ann on the right day, say just after her bi-weekly skin sluoughing, ( I saw that on "The Crocodile Hunter".. "Crikey! sheys'a beute, in she?! Just loook at the waay Ann Coulter wraps urself arownd those baynches to sheyd that ooltra whyyte skeen." ) one might get lucky.

I used to feel the same way about Arianna Huffington until she got divorced from the Republican guy, and got sole custody of the matramonial conscience.

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Makes babble look like a buncha guys in tweed vests having a spirited conversation over a snifter of brandy after dinner. That's a compliment, by the way.

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Erm, ahem, mwaha. Quite. One must preserve the graces, mustn't one? Even when -- or, rather, especially when -- all those about you are losing theirs, what?

But black_dog, my dear fellow, a gentleman never wears a tweed vest without an accompanying jacket, what? And even then, not in the evening, unless of course he's at the country house for hunting or shooting, don't you know?

edited: um, er, which is to say it is entirely possible but I don't know any readers of Coutler, Falwell or the WSJ to comment on whehter the readers treat them as entertainment or not. For instance, everyone I know who would happen to watch Montel Willians of the Vision Channel treat it is a joke so I don't think anything of them.

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Am I the only one that thinks Coulter is pulling everyone's leg?

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One of a few, maybe. But I just can't see it. At most, she's maybe exaggerating her sincerely-held beliefs for effect.

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Coulter was asked why she condemns the terrorists so strongly, but not those who kill abortion doctors. She said that the latter have been extremely frustrated by the fact that they can’t vote on this issue, thanks to Roe vs. Wade, and that they worked within the system for twenty years without success before turning to murder. She said that those individuals believe they had been left with no other routes for dissent in the face of an ongoing atrocity. Coulter further suggested that although she would not take it upon herself to take extreme actions on the abortion issue, she will not condemn those who do.

The same audience member also elicited what Coulter called her most infamous line: “Invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.” The audience member then declared herself satisfied that Coulter had shown her “true colors” and sorry that the ASUW helped bring her here. The speaker was promptly booed by a majority of the audience.

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Check it out.

Coulter is clearly nuts. So why isn't anyone in the media pointing that out?

Ah, must be that liberal bias in the media thingy again.......

DAVID FRUM!!!

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She also talked about how the Japanese government invited Christian missionaries into Japan after WWII. Coulter also claimed that when Emperor Hirohito offered to mass-convert the Japanese people, General Douglas Macarthur declined on the grounds that religious beliefs should be made by free and individual choice.

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If you vote Democrat, you're a naive, mindless sheep. You're worse than the Republicans because:

a) your fiscal politics completely suck and benifit few people

b) I agree with some of your social politics, but bigger government, welfare, "awareness" programs are all government wastes. Democrats are working for the minority special interest groups way too much.

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Her publisher is considering publishing a correction of at least one of her "facts." Meanwhile, in addition to the link writer provided, there are no fewer than three other sites where people have been dissecting her stuff.

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May I say something about Ann Coulter? She is a half-wit, a termagant, a dimwit, a blowhard, a worthless silicone nothing, physically ugly and could be likened to Eva Braun, who was Hitler's mistress. As it happens, these are all descriptions or characterizations Coulter uses for others in her book, "Slander." It ought to be called "Mirror."

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Being conservative is like being criminally insane: You can't be held accountable.

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My point was really to question why Ms. Coulter provokes so much attention from a Canadian discussion forum, when we have our own (somewhat homegrown) version of vitriol-spewing harpy still defending the rights of oppressed mutli-millionaires against the horrible excesses of the rapacious welfare recipients and working poor in the pages of Macleans magazine.

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A point well taken. I suppose it's partly a question of novelty. Amiel's been doing this schtick for decades, after all. For my part, I'd not likely have heard of Coulter but for stuff like "invade-'em/kill-leaders/convert-rest" -- did she confine her rants to matters domestic, I'd take no notice -- and care about her only to the extent she and her sympathizers might influence US policy abroad. But perhaps she has no more real influence than do the Amiels, Steyns, et al. I hope not, anyway.

Limbaugh opened up the ad-hominem can of worms with his now infamous attack on the then 14 year old Chelsea Clinton. Any personal attack Limbaugh gets is richly deserved. He's a swine in both appetite and demeanor.

It should be noted that Franken treats conservatives who argue with respect with the respect they deserve.

I'm of the same philosophy, no ad-hominem attacks unless the other guy starts it. Don't blame me if I always bring a gun to a knife fight, however.

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Does she still write for Macleans? I didn't know that. I figured that would end with her move to Lady-Land.

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I'd take no notice -- and care about her only to the extent she and her sympathizers might influence US policy abroad. But perhaps she has no more real influence than do the Amiels, Steyns, et al. I hope not, anyway.

Even so, she's interesting as an expression of one current of thought -- scratch that, of emotion -- in US culture. I see no evidence of thought in what she does.

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One example: "conservatives" oppose free trade, which is a "liberal" idea.

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A lot of what is called "conservatism" these days is classic "liberalism."
One example: "conservatives" oppose free trade, which is a "liberal" idea.

A fundamental tenet of conservatism is devotion to the community. Liberals just care about freedom to make a buck.

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It's because they encourage a view of politics that has us backing personalities and ideologies like the kids in the front row of a Wrestling Federation main event.

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Well put. *covers ears to muffle the sound of mutual back-patting*

This is related to questions of free speech as well. If the discourse is limited to which public figure has the best leotard, the possible boundaries of what can be discussed intelligently are limited. The value of the discourse is undermined.

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We have been programmed to think that such impassioned outrage, and outrageousness, are permissible only on the left, from counter-culture comedians or exponents of identity politics, certainly not from nice blonde Connecticut-born Republican girls. From Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Angela Davis, Reverend Farrakhan, yes. Ann Coulter--heaven forbid. She cannot claim that her affronts have been much exaggerated by her enemies--she has certainly courted outrage, called Katie Couric "an affable Eva Braun," dreamed out loud that all liberals be obliterated, that liberal media organs be bombed. It's merely that such effrontery sounds more palatable in the mouths of Black Panthers. After all, why isn't she happily occupied practicing the peaceful arts of a soccer mom in some leafy suburb as befits her heritage?

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You have not made your point yet.

You keep "going on" about people "going on" about Coulter. You have spoken for me, so please, now allow me to speak for me. Besides these two posts to you I have made three other post in this thread. One was a small comment, the other two were links. How that qualifies as "going on", I don't get, but then that kind of comment is, I gather, Coulteresqe in its observation of reality.

I post a lot of links. If I happen to run across an article that pertains to a thread in babble, I'll post it. It's a bit more then wandering into a thread and making dumb one-line comments all the time about what you think of other posters.

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The difference between Miss Coulter's and the Black Panthers' fuming is surely very clear. They meant it literally, bombs and all. Miss Coulter, on the other hand, acts out her thoughts in a kind of "what if" political theater, a tongue-in-cheek agitprop, and believes that most Americans understand the difference. Most Americans apparently do, as her book has topped the bestseller lists for many weeks now. Why then don't her infuriated critics get it?

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Like Dick Gregory, Michael Moore, George Carlin or Limbaugh, Coulter, etc., I see these types as entertainers and polemical shock-jocks first, that are secondly often fun and funny but not to be taken too seriously, if seriously at all.

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Monkets "She would make Hitler proud"
"Here's a link to her column and archives, just be sure to havesomething closeby to puke in. "
"she is one person I'd really like to bitch-slap"

Slim
"It's even worse to see that snarl and hear that shriek."

Crapulence "blonde bitch"

black_dog "jackbooted facist"
tommy paine "right wing telebimbo"

Meades "just too fony for anything she says to stand up outside of a room
full of Republicans"

Sisyphus "Isn't Ann Coulter just Barabara Amiel with a dye-job, facelift and
diet"

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Coulter is marginal and not very important except to the posters here. Like Limbaugh, she is neither interesting or relevant

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Oh, Jesus, you just don't get it. It's not important and yet you feel the need to reiterate how marginal Coulter is. Whatever. I think you’re a closet Coulter fan. You believe Clinton is a rapist, right?

You're a moron to extrapolate comments from a BBS. For myself, she is not important. I don't get cable, and the CBC isn't in the habit of airing conservative windbags from the US (CBC being the one channel I watch regularly, surprise!). I only know her from (initially) babble and the American sites I happen to frequent because it was first brought up here. And yes, the OpinionJournal is just another left-wing rag on par with the Nation that I frequent. They defend her because she is an inconsequential commentator and means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

You are a Coulter clone, Weatherbee, which, I guess, explains your unfounded, baseless accusations. Of course people here will react to her in such a manner. If I happen to post any other rant from David Duke, or whoever, you will see the same response. You take digs at posters here, how are we any different than you?

However, I believe the people here will not say, "she should die in a fiery plane crash." The Opinion Journal compares Coulter to "leftwing" people like Farrakhan and, oddly enough, as a self identified "leftist" (meaning left of center and not, as you ignorantly claim, Weatherbee, a socialist), I don't consider Farrakhan or the Black Panthers within the same political thought as I espouse. I have been quite clear on numerous occasions about this, but it takes a demented, know-nothing poster who hasn't been around too long to claim that.

Tell me where we elected crapulence to speak for the "babble mentality". Tell me where we decided Tommy_Paine was the board spokesman. Numerous comments get said on this board to which I do not respond, even though I disagree with. You might as well claim I speak for all of babble which, maybe in "socialist" Brampton, I do represent Brampton babble posters… But then I represent all of two people in that case, out of a population of, say, 350,000.

Ridicule is a fine art, my friend, and this is the third post you have demonstrated that you're no artist.

I'll talk to an intelligent poster now, SHH:

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The author seems to be suggesting something near, or maybe kinda near, what I was thinking. Like Dick Gregory, Michael Moore, George Carlin or Limbaugh, Coulter, etc., I see these types as entertainers and polemical shock-jocks first, that are secondly often fun and funny but not to be taken too seriously, if seriously at all. At a distant third, they are somewhat sincere in their ideology I guess, but they hardly matter in the grand scope of policy making. I’m a little surprised at the attention they get (that IS their game isn’t it?) from more serious folk pondering the profound. But, since we’re discussing her and I don’t think much of her one way or the other…

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The entertainment aspect, I see. The more "out there" you are, the more likely you gather an audience initially. And I'm not claiming that the likes of Moore is marginally different than Coulter. Like Coulter, I've never directly seen Moore speak. But I did see a piece on the local TV station about him and his comments on Canada were out to lunch. He's no different than some rightwing quack claiming that Canada is "socialist". The only difference is that the "socialist" epithet is, in his eyes, a good thing.

So, I'll admit that she may be milking American culture with her stereotypes and "humour". But, as a "leftist", I've laughed at a lot of jokes, and I've never seen a moderate leftists (centre left?) claim that people should be forcibly "indoctrinated" (converted to Christianity) or that something should be bombed (like the NY Times building). In fact, I don't think you can claim a moderate leftist position, considering history, and make these jokes (although I'm sue I might be proven wrong). I know those thought exists in the fringe, but I will have nothing to do wiht them (long time posters might remember my assaults on people saying violence is a legitimate goal). I've never heard Carlin, et al, so I can't say if they believe violence is a legitimate goal (or a joke) in the context of which they speak.. All that I know is that when people argue for conversion, bombing, etc, they are the fringe right/left. That ceases to be a joke to me. Stalin converted. Mao converted. The Spanish Inquisition, for lack of a better example, converted.

If the OpinionJournal wants to compare Coulter to a "leftwing" Farrakhan, I have no problem. They are both screwed. But, like Farrakhan, I'm not entirely convinced she is being "humourous". She might be playing to an audience (the hardy heartland, which votes Republican, oddly enough) but that in itself disposes me to even think she might be truthful. People claim she's an inconsequential figure, but so is Limbaugh, and what are his ratings? SHH, you may discount these people, and I may discount these people, like we might discount Moore fans, but I've met a lot of twisted people who think these ideologues speak the truth.

I've listened to that fucked up, talk-radio pseudo-psychologist (whatever her name is) and I've listened to Stern. That doesn't make me a Stern or [whoever she is] disciple. But I do know from work that people actually believe this crap. Now, I can't comment on the ratio of Laura entertainment-listeners as opposed to Laura-insight listeners, but, Christ, people phone into these shows. People listen to them regularly for whatever reason. I make jokes in social settings that don't go over well, and I think I have a humourous personality, but I'm obviously no Coulter or Moore. The jokes are only funny if you, in your heart, believe what the joke is about (and I say this as an "anti-Christian": and Christian jokes will make me laugh simply because I think, from experience, Christians will believe anything, right or wrong).

I don't think that everyone who listens to Laura, Stern, or, if they can, Coulter, have the same warped sense of humour like I do, because in real life situations, for me anyway, it's just not the case. I'm bombarded with racist comments at work, and I see no reason why these comments don't reflect a viewpoint, and that these ignorant, even violent, viewpoints can't be espoused and fed by Coulture's "humour" (or, as they used to call it, propaganda).

Moore made the NY Times bestsellers list. Coulter made it too. It doesn't mean the same people bought the same books and compared.

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