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al-Qa'bong
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posted 28 May 2005 06:07 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While we may argue whether the views of this "academic" are the result of the closing of the American mind or the dumbing down of America, we might agree that they play well in Peoria:
Christianity Today

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Christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims really were gunning for them. While Muslims can be peaceful, Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Mohammed, the means of Muslim expansion was always the sword.

And on a related note:

Creationism: God's gift to the ignorant


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brebis noire
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posted 29 May 2005 01:31 PM      Profile for brebis noire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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From the safe distance of many centuries, it is easy enough to scowl in disgust at the Crusades. Religion, after all, is nothing to fight wars over. But we should be mindful that our medieval ancestors would have been equally disgusted by our infinitely more destructive wars fought in the name of political ideologies. And yet, both the medieval and the modern soldier fight ultimately for their own world and all that makes it up. Both are willing to suffer enormous sacrifice, provided that it is in the service of something they hold dear, something greater than themselves. Whether we admire the Crusaders or not, it is a fact that the world we know today would not exist without their efforts. The ancient faith of Christianity, with its respect for women and antipathy toward slavery, not only survived but flourished. Without the Crusades, it might well have followed Zoroastrianism, another of Islam's rivals, into extinction.

Ack! so much to dispute, so little time! Thanks for posting this, al-Q.

On thing that particularly struck me was the way he equated massacres and looting of European Jews with "collateral damage" in American bombings of Iraqi targets. Of course, as a military policy, they "don't want" to kill and maim women, children and non-combatants, but they do...Jesus....

And as a former evangelical, it angers me to see how the movement has become integrated with militarism and power...it didn't used to be that way, believe me. We used to think that if Christianity had survived over the centuries, it was in spite of stuff like the Crusades, the Inquisition, mercantilism, splintering into various sects etc. - not because of it. Chrisse...

Thirdly: respect for women!? antipathy to slavery!? is he talking about historical Christianity, or have I missed something?


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remind
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posted 29 May 2005 02:11 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Al-Q, thanks for the links a good Sunday morning read.

I adored this sentence in the last link you provided:

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The creationists’ fondness for “gaps” in the fossil record is a metaphor for their love of gaps in knowledge generally.

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Papal Bull
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posted 29 May 2005 07:13 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ummmm. I am really getting tired of these people

Zorastrianism is NOT extinct. Read me, NOT extinct. It is dying and in danger of facing extinction due to its policies of allowing no converts and other such practices. Islam saw the Zorastrians as brothers who worshipped the same God who simply had a different name. This is acording to my World Religion's text book.


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