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Judes
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posted 14 October 2002 10:05 AM

Here is a marvelous piece of Marxist art criticism for your Thanksgiving Day. Anyone an Hieronymus Bosch fan? I've always been,even seen his original works in the Prado and the Museum of Modern Art in New York. Now I know why.

Znet Commentary

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skdadl
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posted 14 October 2002 10:34 AM

The Garden of Earthly Delights, and other paintings: I found links to the images on this page: sorry -- the URL doesn't seem to get more specific for each image.

A nice reading of the Renaissance generally, Judes -- thanks.

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lagatta
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posted 14 October 2002 06:16 PM

Yes, nice little comment - I'd like to see a more in-depth one in the same vein (sorry, social historians lust after footnotes...). Will have to pass it on to the authors of the ecosocialist manifesto (posted earlier on this site).

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flotsom
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 2832

posted 14 October 2002 06:36 PM

or here

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BLAKE 3:16
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Babbler # 2978

posted 14 October 2002 09:36 PM

Bosch is one of the most wonderful of painters. His work is such a head fuck.

The Toronto/Vancouver artist Ed Pien has done some amazing work riffing off of Bosch. The transgressive fantastic is too often dismissed by leftists. I get really fed up with the use of the woodcuts of Frans Masereel and Lynd Ward.

His grotesque figures are fascinating for examining our preconceived ideas of ideal bodies.

Less fucked up but very interesting are the works of Breughel and Hogarth. Hogarth's Rake's Progress is stunning and awful.

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lagatta
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Babbler # 2534

posted 14 October 2002 10:01 PM

Perhaps we see less of Masareel in Québec (I've never seen the woodcuts used here in left publications) but I really like the Germanic expressionist graphics. http://www.graphicwitness.org/historic/st.htm

Must be a generational thing, but to me "head fuck" sounds very negative... hate to tell you, we might have talked about "mind bending" in that sense....

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flotsom
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Babbler # 2832

posted 14 October 2002 10:43 PM

quote:
to me "head fuck" sounds very negative... hate to tell you, we might have talked about "mind bending" in that sense....

What gives you the audacity to tell another person what to say or how to say it?

Such arrogance!

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BLAKE 3:16
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 2978

posted 15 October 2002 01:04 AM

Don't worry-- lagatta and I are on similar wavelengths, I'm just into punk and hardcore hiphop which gives me a potty mouth...

Degradation under capitalism? Freedom? who knows

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lagatta
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 2534

posted 15 October 2002 03:15 AM

flotsam, that was extremely rude. Or, didn't you catch that I was talking about how language evolves? I'm talking about what people of my generation said - I'm old enough to be Blake's mum.

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flotsom
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 2832

posted 15 October 2002 04:01 AM

quote:
didn't you catch that I was talking about how language evolves? I'm talking about what people of my generation said

Bullshit.

No you weren't.

You were expressing your disapproval of Blake's choice of phrase.

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lagatta
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 2534

posted 15 October 2002 04:02 AM

No, I wasn't. As he seemed to catch. And why are you being so rude to me?

Troll alert.

[ October 15, 2002: Message edited by: lagatta ]

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flotsom
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 2832

posted 15 October 2002 04:10 AM

You know any trolls here with over seven hundred posts?

Rude?

I don't see it that way.

Goodnight.

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nonsuch
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 1402

posted 16 October 2002 01:53 AM

quote:
What gives you the audacity to tell another person what to say or how to say it?

She didn't. You were wrong. And absolutely, totally rude.
I'm disappointed.*

*That's the worst thing a teacher ever said to me.
I was one of those A students that never gave any trouble. If i cut up or rebelled, even a little bit, the teachers would get all upset.
I used to think it terribly unfair that they should count on me to hold their world on an even keel. Now, i realize that their world was hanging by a thread: lousy pay, lousy environment, rotten kids, stupid parents, nasty trustees, unreliable government... They kept doing it on the off-chance of finding and teaching kids like me. If i let them down, what would be the point?
Awsome responsibility!

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