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audra trower williams
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posted 12 July 2002 09:32 PM
the tenets:1. The Primacy Of The Individual 2. Social Reform Must Come Through Education 3. Education Must Begin With The Economic 4. Education Must Be Through Group Action 5. Effective Social Reform Involves Fundamental Changes In Social And Economic Institutions 6. The Ultimate Objective Of The Movement Is A Full And Abundant Life For Everyone In The Community Click it. What do you think? Old ideas by good people.
From: And I'm a look you in the eye for every bar of the chorus | Registered: Apr 2001
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shabbado
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posted 13 July 2002 12:58 AM
Michelle, the history of abuse connected to the religious right is legion.For centuries the opression of the downtrodden and weak has been the hall mark of the papists and by extension the Baptists, Lutheran and Episcopalian sects. The one true diviniation of belief has been the United Church, and those gentlemen, complete in their garb befitting the ROMAN CATHOLIC church, do not look Unitarian. As far as those who follow the tenets of the Koran or Talmud....name one who has consistently and systematically abused underlings as often as those who are 'men of the cloth' here in the west. [ July 13, 2002: Message edited by: Cranky Sod ]
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shabbado
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posted 13 July 2002 02:04 AM
Valid points to both Audra and Michelle. Audra: Just because the photos of these two gentlemen were taken in the 1920's doesn't necessarilly exclude them from the guilt associated with the crimes of the present. The crimes of the ROMAN CATHOLIC church as I mentioned, stretches back centuries. It's a fair assumption that these gentlemen from the 1920's were privy to, if not willing participants of various misdeeds condoned by the Vatican, most especially by the actions of Nazi lover Eugenio Paccelli, often refrred to as Pius XII, and the current wearer of the shoes of the fisherman, CIA stooge John Paul George And Ringo II. Until the papists come clean on their history, this history will be forever tainted. The mere fact that those gentlemen are men of the cloth is justification of mistrust!
And Michelle-Ma-Belle...they ARE wearing the clothing of the enemy. You mentioned the wearers of the yarmulke and hijab. Well, other than being bloodthirsty murderers, most wearers of the yarmulke cannot be called pedophiles and those who follow the teaching of the Koran have never been accused of such "nasty" habits. Take a look at the papers. ROMAN CATHOLICISM is filled with little boy molesters, borne by historical and current fact. They wear the "garb", they share the shame!
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Michelle
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posted 13 July 2002 09:09 AM
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Well, other than being bloodthirsty murderers, most wearers of the yarmulke cannot be called pedophiles
Can I ask for a clarification of this? Are you implying that most wearers of the yarmulke are bloodthirsty murderers, or am I just misunderstanding the construction of your sentence? quote:
and those who follow the teaching of the Koran have never been accused of such "nasty" habits. Take a look at the papers.
I've seen people make these stereotypical assumptions about Muslims too - from some people who say that Mohammad was a pedophile for marrying a wife at 9 years old, to a Canadian judge in recent memory (can't remember the case or the judge's name, sorry), who ruled that the court should be lenient in a sodomy case against a Muslim man toward his daughter because it was put forward that in "his culture", female virginity is prized above all else, and the fact that he preserved her virginity by buggering her instead showed concern and thoughtfulness. Muslim groups reacted with outrage at the implication, but there it was. Not only that, but in some Muslim countries, girls can get married at ages that most Westerners would still consider "children". Not only that, but young girls can be forced to get married to much older men even if they don't want to. You don't think this very common knowledge has been used to stereotype all Muslim men, even though there are many Muslim men who do not believe in those kind of practices? Do you think that all Muslim men, even the ones who don't support these kind of practices, should be tarnished by the same image as those who do?
From: I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell. | Registered: May 2001
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'lance
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posted 13 July 2002 12:27 PM
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For centuries the opression of the downtrodden and weak has been the hall mark of the papists and by extension the Baptists, Lutheran and Episcopalian sects. The one true diviniation of belief has been the United Church...
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It's a fair assumption that these gentlemen from the 1920's were privy to, if not willing participants of various misdeeds condoned by the Vatican, most especially by the actions of Nazi lover Eugenio Paccelli, often refrred to as Pius XII, and the current wearer of the shoes of the fisherman, CIA stooge John Paul George And Ringo II. Until the papists come clean on their history, this history will be forever tainted. The mere fact that those gentlemen are men of the cloth is justification of mistrust!
You don't even know what denomination these men are from, Cranky; but this second passage is just beyond parody and satire. I have, to put it as mildly as possible, little use for the Catholic Church, as such; but the fact that you tar all Catholics with the same brush (and use the Orange term of abuse 'papists,' and on the Glorious Twelfth, to boot) is redolent of ugly bigotry. And as for this passage... quote:
Well, other than being bloodthirsty murderers, most wearers of the yarmulke cannot be called pedophiles ...
Michelle's far more generous than I. It reads like blatant anti-Semitism. I think you've crossed any number of lines here, Cranky. [ July 13, 2002: Message edited by: 'lance ]
From: that enchanted place on the top of the Forest | Registered: Jul 2001
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meades
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posted 13 July 2002 04:29 PM
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The Antigonish Movement evolved from the pioneering
work of Rev. Dr. Moses Coady and Rev.Jimmy Tompkins in the 1920s.
Interesting, last time I checked, Catholic priests didn't use the title "reverend". Cranky, just because some Catholic priests have abused children does not mean all do. This guilt by association bull is totally outrageous, and WAY over the line! I'm not even going to touch your brutally bigotive insinuations about Jews and Muslims because if I really got started, you wouldn't hear the end of it!  Do I recognize that some priests are pedophiles? yes. Does that tar my opinion of all priests? no! Not all priests are pedophiles, and it's offensive to suggest such a thing! I don't think any less of priests or Catholics because of the crimes of a comparative few in the community. I don't fall for this guilt by association business for one second, and neither should anyone else! [oops, that mad smiley makes it look like I'm trying to force everyone to agree with me, but the "and neither should anyone else" line is just encouragement. The mad smiley was just because the accusations piss me off. Tonnes.]
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