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Briguy
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posted 24 November 2004 02:26 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dolphins save swimmers from shark

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The dolphins bunched the four swimmers together by circling about 4-8 centimetres from them, and slapping the water with their tails for about 40 minutes.

Howes said he drifted away from the main group when an opening occurred. One large dolphin became agitated and submerged toward Howes, who turned to see where it would surface.

That, he says, is when he saw a great white shark about two metres away in the beach's crystal clear waters.

"The form came and travelled in an arc around me. I knew instinctively what it was," he said.

When the shark started moving toward the women, including his 15-year-old daughter, the dolphins "went into hyperdrive," said Howes.

"I would suggest they were creating a confusion screen around the girls. It was just a mass of fins, backs and ... human heads."


Wow.


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miles
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posted 24 November 2004 02:27 PM      Profile for miles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I heard this on the radio. This is just amazing..

I am so glad that the dolphins are our friends even after we used one of them to make that great tv show:

Flipper...they called him flipper, flipper,


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posted 24 November 2004 03:02 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've heard of killer whales doing the same thing. It really is amazing. We all need to have a little more respect for animals.
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The movie Orca started with a marine biologist in the water being menaced by a shark; then all of a sudden a killer whale comes along a blasts the shark right out of the water. The rest of the movie sucked big time, though.
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Dolphins murder millions of fish themselves, just like we do. They're just perpetuating mammalian bigotry against fish!
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quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:
Dolphins murder millions of fish themselves, just like we do. They're just perpetuating mammalian bigotry against fish!

Should the dolphin leader...FLIPPER ... be charged with crimes against seafood?


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Briguy
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posted 24 November 2004 03:32 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've got yer crime against seafood right here:


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posted 24 November 2004 04:11 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mmm. Square fish.
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posted 24 November 2004 04:44 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's a wonderful story. Nature isn't always as cruel as National Geographic or the economic philosophers let on. Animals in general are capable of great affection for one another. Apparently, it's a natural characteristic for many species to be affectionate with each other. This one is amazing though.

Meanwhile, NG loves to show us turf wars on TV between Hyenas, Lions and other groups occurring moreso now with big business expansion into the jungles and grasslands of Africa.


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posted 24 November 2004 04:54 PM      Profile for faith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fidel did you ever see the special on elephants that pbs sponsored? The show was amazing and showed the matriarch of a herd doubling back in the night to adopt an orphaned baby elephant even though the herds resources were strained. She had passed it by earlier but when she heard the hyenas reversed her march and went back to retrieve the baby.
Animals can be scary with their sentient behaviour, and we do need to relate to them more than we do.

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Didn't see that one, no. Amazing, isn't it.

I remember seeing one about a lioness they named ...can't remember... Naomi, for conversation sake. Naomi's three cubs were killed in their sleep by an African cobra snake and nailed Naomi, too. The big cat was in pain for a couple of nights in a row and frothing at the mouth with thirst. She was on her last legs as Hyenas kept checking on her for an easy kill. At one point, Naomi's rear legs were paralyzed from the poison, but she'd feign a roar and bravado when the Hyenas came calling. She had to take a couple of swipes at the lead Hyena sizing her up for dinner.

Naomi survived the cobra bite and rejoined the pride. They were "treed" one night by another clan of Hyenas. Naomi, with re-newed health and memories of the Hyenas tearing her cubs limb from limb as she lay helpless, defended the pride ferociously against the night predators.

That filmography gave me a newfound respect for nature while realizing that the wild life over there are become more and more hard pressed for their own territory by people. It's a shame. A bloody shame.


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posted 24 November 2004 09:20 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When it comes to lions, Fidel, there are a few so-called "Christians" I wouldn't mind feeding them.

It would probably give the poor lions indigestion, though.


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posted 24 November 2004 10:22 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hyenas might not protest the offering, Hephaestion. Remember, it's the thought that counts this season.

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posted 25 November 2004 01:25 AM      Profile for fuslim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This story has the smell of well aged herring.

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...Lifeguard Rob Howes said he and three female lifeguards were on a training swim about 100 metres off Ocean Beach near Whangarei on the North Island.

About halfway through the swim, a pod of dolphins "came steaming at us" and started circling, startling the swimmers, he said.

Howes said he was unnerved by speed of the approach, thinking perhaps it was a group of aggressive males or dolphins protecting their baby.


Of course a dolphin in the water is swimming a lot faster than any human could, so "steaming at us" would describe their normal speed. However, it sets the scene nicely, which is what it was supposed to do.

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The dolphins bunched the four swimmers together by circling about 4-8 centimetres from them, and slapping the water with their tails for about 40 minutes.

Centimeters??? or is that Metres? Seems an unlikely error to make. And this slapping the water with their tails for 40 minutes...by that time the human swimmers were getting a bit tired of the game I bet.

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Howes said he drifted away from the main group when an opening occurred. One large dolphin became agitated and submerged toward Howes, who turned to see where it would surface.

That, he says, is when he saw a great white shark about two metres away in the beach's crystal clear waters.


Two metres is just over 6 feet, and he didn't notice this thing 6 feet away for 40 minutes while the dolphins were thrashing around???

The average Great White would be about 15 ft. long (that's about 4.5 meters, or twice the distance it was reported to be away from the swimmer), and weighs in at around 2 tons.

Seems a strange thing to miss for 40 minutes.

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"The form came and travelled in an arc around me. I knew instinctively what it was," he said.

When the shark started moving toward the women, including his 15-year-old daughter, the dolphins "went into hyperdrive," said Howes.

"I would suggest they were creating a confusion screen around the girls. It was just a mass of fins, backs and ... human heads."


Let's see, a two ton shark, 15 feet long, is swimming 6 ft away from you, and you "know instinctively what it was". Marvelous powers of observation!!!

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The shark left as a rescue boat neared, but the dolphins remained close by as the group swam back to shore. At no point did the shark break the surface of the water, remaining near the bottom, he said.

Howes said he didn't tell the rest of the group about the shark until the next day.


Ok, the shark, undeterred for 40 minutes by a group of hyperaggressive dolphins, turns tail and runs when the rescue boat appears...chicken of the sea, apparently.

Oh yes, and this 15 ft. long, 2 ton object, which had been swimming 6 ft. away was unnoticed by the other humans.

Of course, they were woman, and were likely concentrating on what they were going to make for supper (fish sticks and spuds?).

Meanwhile, the humans, who have been dogpaddling around in this group of dolpins for 40 minutes, decide to forego the rescue boat and swim for shore themselves. Plucky lot.

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"I came out of that water and I was stunned. I had no idea how to relay what had happened and how to deal with it," said Howes.

While this all happened on Oct. 30, the swimmers didn't tell their story until recently.

He says he spent the next few weeks talking with dolphin experts about the incident, who told him it wasn't unusual for dolphins to protect swimmers.


Took a while to think this up did it? And the dolphin experts, who were they? Apparently they weren't above a little romance themselves.

Actual cases of dolphins "protecting swimmers" are pretty thin on the ground. Here's a study done on dolphins swimming with humans:

http://tinyurl.com/6h8g7

Takes a bit of the romance out of it.

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There've been a number of great white sightings in the area at this time of year, mainly because they come into the harbours to give birth, said Howes.

So, whose idea was it to go for a long distance swim through shark infested waters, anyhow.

If that guy was my instructor, I'd sue.

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posted 25 November 2004 01:55 AM      Profile for fuslim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Or maybe it was the Miami Dolphins...
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posted 25 November 2004 02:15 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, if any porpoises deserve a polishing, these do.
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posted 25 November 2004 03:15 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh what the Zealander's know, anyway. Their politicos on the right have caused an exodus of young people from the island over the last decade or so. Don't think the dolphins would wanna stick around either. ha ha
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posted 25 November 2004 04:43 AM      Profile for fuslim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What was the porpoise of that dolphin behaviour...they did it for the halibut.

Or, as the French flying fish said after a meal, "c'est fini."

The fishy game show...Name That Tuna

Please somebody stop me!!!!!


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Not like goin down to the pond chasin bluegills or tommycats. Bad fish. Swallow ya whole. ... I find 'im far three. Catch'im and kill'eim fer ten. For that ye get the head, the tail, the whole damn thing. h aha
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posted 25 November 2004 03:42 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I found the story interesting.

Anyone who's interested in animal behaviour should read: "When Elephants Weep: The Emotional Lives of Animals."

It's eye-opening. One of the things I learned from it is that elephants have a glad/hole halfway between their ears and their eyes, on the sides of their heads. When they are emotionally stressed or excited, the glands/hole gush a fluid that is similar to... tears? I think.

The most interesting story in it was about a leader female elephant. Her herd was travelling and came across a baby rhino stuck in the mud, the mother was nearby and agitated. The elephant spend the next while reefing the baby rhino out of the much with her trunk, while the mother rhino got more and more pissed off.


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quote:
Originally posted by fuslim:
Please somebody stop me!!!!!

Maybe I'll stop you tomorrow. Not tonight, I have a haddock.


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posted 25 November 2004 04:03 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They'll regret it.
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posted 25 November 2004 04:21 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, Wingy, they probably will, but that's for us to struggle with, yes?

Somebody above made a remark that I agree with: Nature is NOT ALWAYS red in tooth and claw. That is nature-show porn, the NG stuff, etc. Yes, there is a food chain, and it is hard for us to watch (or is it? if it were, why would watching it have become such a source of funds for commerce?).

We humans also are bloodthirsty, except in twisted ways that no animal has ever matched, since they don't reflect on what they do and can't turn it into Abu Ghraib.

And they, like us, have more to them than the bloodthirsty parts. Their intelligence is much more direct than ours, more trustworthy in the sense that they always mean what they mean, and the better we get to know them, the better we understand what they mean.

The gorgeous beasts. I love 'em. Even the bleeding sharks.


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posted 25 November 2004 06:53 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Maybe I'll stop you tomorrow. Not tonight, I have a haddock.

You're a pair of pikers, you two. You won't skate away from this one easily.


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If you keep doing that, by cod I'll fire my rays at you. Rays that sting!
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And I'll shout loudly back at you, in a bass tone.
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posted 25 November 2004 08:52 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ah well, you can tune a piano but you can't tuna fish.

(forgive me, I'm floundering here. I'll clam up)


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posted 25 November 2004 08:53 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

I laughed so hard, I pulled a mussel.


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What was that? I'm a bit hard of herring. Never mind, I'll just go back to reading Salmon Rushdie.

Oh lord, my puns smell like a ... er ... I dunno.


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posted 25 November 2004 09:06 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh that's the limit!

...the 200-mile coastal limit to be precise.

Stop looking at me like that! That isn't the dumbest joke in this thread, I'm sure.


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Now I'm feeling a bit of a shrimp, comedically.

Tough to follow that. I'm scratching my scallop.


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Time to get the hook.
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One day, the dolphins and the elephants will wise up, and then we'll be screwed.

Can't say as I blame them, though. It's unfortunate that the dolphins aren't protecting the sharks from those boats that cut their fins off and then throw the still-living, finless carcass back into the sea to sink and drown.

If there were any justice, those dolphins would have hearded those dumbasses towards the shark.


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quote:
Originally posted by oldgoat:
Ah well, you can tune a piano but you can't tuna fish.

I remember some comedian commenting on the fact that Americans say "tuna fish" while Canadians say "tuna."

We're smart enough to know it's a fish.


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I remember a few weeks ago I was reading a hilarious article on the good ol' Right Wing conspiracy site Above Top Secret that those silly invaders from space evolved from dolphin like creatures. It was a good laugh.

On a more serious not, I read that back in the late 50s, early 60s research on dolphins by the US navy and other scientific institutions revealed that they had amazing capacity for communication and that there were other forms of communication that we couldn't detect. Frankly, if dolphins are as intelligent or near/more than us and there is a way to communicate with them...Wow. It would be amazing to communicate with another intelligent life form. Plus the philosophical implications would be amazing.


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Stop carping about these jokes. Get down from your high perch.
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On a more serious not, I read that back in the late 50s, early 60s research on dolphins by the US navy and other scientific institutions revealed that they had amazing capacity for communication and that there were other forms of communication that we couldn't detect.

Dolphins lie.

That's apparently what some researchers/trainers found out when training dolphins to retrieve submerged ordnance and other military hardware. The dolphins were to swim down and attach magnets with cables to the metal objects and then use a signal to tell the humans topside that it was time to haul up the loot. Apparently, when the dolphins were bored of the exercise, or just in a silly mood, they would go through the motions of attaching the cable, then solemnly signal that they had, when they hadn't.

Apparently Koko the gorilla has a capacity for lying as well, typically when asked about missing soda or cookies and such.

Lying, though it's not a good thing for adults, actually signals a certain developmental phase wherein a child (or dolphin or gorilla) recognizes and understands that they're separate from the other things in their world, and that it's therefore possible for them to know something that these other things might not.


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