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Topic: When Do You Not Belong in the Party?
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spatrioter
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posted 07 July 2004 02:43 PM
We've had many discussions in various threads over whether the NDP should be recruiting candidates such as Monia Mazigh (who said she would not vote for equal marriage) and Des McGrath (who said he would vote against abortion rights).I personally disagree with their beliefs on these issues. And I happen to think they are very important issues and important parts of our party policy. I recognize the need to be more inclusive and open to people of different viewpoints within the party. But I also know that we lose a lot of credibility when we sacrifice our policies to attract high-profile candidates. So, a question : How far do you have to go before you are no longer a New Democrat? Which dissident viewpoints should be tolerated within the NDP, and which shouldn't?
From: Trinity-Spadina | Registered: Mar 2002
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Mr. Magoo
guilty-pleasure
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posted 07 July 2004 03:58 PM
I would say that the party should go as far as its own claims and beliefs take it. If the NDP claims to support basic rights 100%, and if the NDP believes marriage between any two adults to be a basic right, then I think its members need to support it 100%. Not 99%, and not by weaseling out of votes or hiding until the issue blows over, but 100%.Failing that, as I've said before, if raising the bar with respect to representatives isn't an option, lowering it with regard to claims and expectations still is. In other words, if you can't get all representatives onside with a basic party belief, the party still has the option of dropping that belief. It's not a shrewd marketing ploy to say "We mostly support human rights", but at least it's consistent with what the representatives actually do. Mostly. [ 07 July 2004: Message edited by: Mr. Magoo ]
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Baldfresh
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posted 07 July 2004 04:17 PM
Tough question. For me, the entire system we live under is inherently flawed, and I really do feel that its wrong for laws/beliefs to be imoposed upon people when they are often far from unquestionably held as a case of right/wrong. There will always be someone left out and against some part or another of what's on the books. The same holds true for political parties: you'll likely never see an organization with millions of members that tries to formulate a universal standard of how people should live being wholly sucessful. So to say that if you don't agree with a single facet of the party's multilateral platform you shouldn't be involved with it at all . . . well, if you forcibly hold to that you're going to see every major political party divide into fractions of itself. Except, maybe, for the hardline right. And honestly, I don't believe there is a singluar "right" way to live; it depends wholly on your situation and where you live. The way we live our lives in terms of laws should be multidimensional across geographic regions, just as life on earth itself tends to be healthier with diversity. And like life and nature, monoculture systems tend to be very fragile and weak, prone to being maladaptive and easily damaged by natural issues that arise thruout time.
From: to here knows when | Registered: May 2004
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 07 July 2004 04:33 PM
quote: and I really do feel that its wrong for laws/beliefs to be imoposed upon people when they are often far from unquestionably held as a case of right/wrong.
Ironically, much of the dissent that this thread is about concerns beliefs being imposed on people. The question becomes "Which is better? For the NDP to 'force' a few candidates to vote for SSM, or to take the chance that the government could force millions of Canadians to be second class citizens under the law". I would far rather see an NDP MP forced to vote for basic human rights than see Canadians forced to relinquish those rights. And as has been mentioned many times, if a prospective NDP candidate can't live with supporting basic rights like marriage, there's always the CPC, who'd welcome their intolerance with open arms.
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