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Doug
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posted 20 July 2004 04:14 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The retrospective diagnosis was reached using documents released after the 1991 fall of the Soviet Union -- Lenin's medical chart, autopsy results and memoirs by physicians who treated Lenin and were sworn to silence after his death in 1924.

These posthumous diagnoses of historic figures aren't necessarily accurate, but they are highly interesting.


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beverly
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posted 20 July 2004 04:19 PM      Profile for beverly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sigh - is it really necessary?

But I suppose it does explain how Stalin came to power.


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'lance
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posted 20 July 2004 04:20 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Before the revolution, Lenin began to find the sound of loud noise unbearable.

Most people would have found that a powerful incentive to avoid revolutions.

[ 20 July 2004: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 20 July 2004 04:42 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess someone gave to him according to her abilities. I'm just surprised they covered it all up instead of renaming syphillis "Glorious Rash of the Proletariat" and exalting in its redness.
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posted 20 July 2004 04:45 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmmmn. Krupskaya lived until 1939, which doesn't necessarily prove much, but still.

It is true that syphilis was rampant and incurable at the time. I think it is also known that Lenin had a lover during his Paris years; she and Krupskaya became close as well, though, and the marriage seems to have been very strong and close.

Also, the descriptions of Lenin's last illness are entirely consistent with the traditional diagnosis, a series of strokes.

So given that the syphilis speculation is entirely speculative, I am wondering ... why?


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Fidel
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posted 20 July 2004 05:08 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ronald Raygun died of Alzheimer's. It was God's revenge.
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beverly
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posted 20 July 2004 05:16 PM      Profile for beverly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whose penis is in a jar? Is that Napoleon's? Or is that another urban myth?

There certainly is a fascination with the sex lives of famous folk through the centuries?

I read that Hitler had a "puny purple member" in one book.

I also read, aside, that Stalin kept Hitler's remains on ice and in later years when half crazed he would insist that Hitler was a live and trying to get him andhe would have the head brought out. Gross.


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lagatta
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posted 20 July 2004 05:22 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm, the syph story is certainly possible, but Lenin did suffer an assassination attempt in 1918, and his health took a turn for the worse from then on - I believe they were unable to remove the bullet. So lead poisoning could be another possibility.
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posted 20 July 2004 05:22 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Whose penis is in a jar? Is that Napoleon's? Or is that another urban myth?

Dunno about Napoleon, but one (false) urban legend has it that John Dillinger's penis is in the collection of the Smithsonian.

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I also read, aside, that Stalin kept Hitler's remains on ice and in later years when half crazed he would insist that Hitler was a live and trying to get him andhe would have the head brought out.

This would be an interesting variation on the story that Hitler's body wasn't actually cremated in Berlin in 1945, or even that Hitler didn't commit suicide.

So, if Stalin had Hitler's remains, how and when (and where) was Hitler supposed to have died, I wonder?

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posted 20 July 2004 05:25 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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So lead poisoning could be another possibility.

Just FYI, I don't believe a bullet left in your tissues can result in lead poisoning. Docs on TV leave them in all the time (and I'm talking about the reality shows, not Chicago Hope )


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posted 20 July 2004 05:32 PM      Profile for beverly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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So, if Stalin had Hitler's remains, how and when (and where) was Hitler supposed to have died, I wonder?

What I read said that Russian troops got to the bunker right after Hitler committed suicide. He was never cremated. They radioed Moscow or whatever and were order to bring the body back with them.


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'lance
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posted 20 July 2004 05:34 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, right. Now that I think of it, I've heard that version too. I'm pretty sure it's been discredited though.
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 20 July 2004 05:43 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remember reading that Napoleon's dessicated penis resembled a dried up seahorse. Now that I think of it, I probably only remember it because as a kid I had a dried up seahorse. Hmph.

Anyway, I also read on the web that it came up for auction at Christie's in 1971. Where was eBay when we needed it?


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posted 20 July 2004 05:44 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hitler was hastily cremated and not very well. His remains were discovered and shipped back to russia where a autopsy was performs on him, Eva Braun, Goebbels and Goebeel's family. Parts of his body (bones) were discovered in 2002 in a russian archive and shown to the public with the disclassified autopsy reports
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Fidel
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Interesting. A documentary on the nazis(and there seem to be a lot of them a lately on theHistory Channel) said that Hitler took cyanide as red army troops were just metres away from the bunker where he was holed up. Himmler apparently cyanided himself not long after being captured. They apparently would have preferred surrendering to the American's rather than the Russian's.

One documentary I saw showed how determined the Russian's were to beat then nazis. Men, women and kids helped to lay railway track every inch of the way to Berlin. As the nazis advanced toward Stalingrad and Moscow in '42, hundreds of thousands of Russian and Jewish partizani's packed up munitions plants and materials and carried them on horse-back and on foot over the frozen Ural mountains where it was all re-assembled and started up again.

The battle for Kursk, Ukraine was the largest tank battle in history. Lots of blood, weat and tears. Many tears.

cheers!

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beverly
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There have been alot lately - I've noticed in the TV guide - but being summer and too hot to be inside in the evening I have been outside reading on the deck. The latest Grisholm is a fast read. I dont' care what you say, I want cheesey pulp fiction in the summertime.
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I'm actually building a deck so I can do just that. Bleatin scozmutoes.
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Whose penis is in a jar? Is that Napoleon's? Or is that another urban myth?
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Dunno about Napoleon, but one (false) urban legend has it that John Dillinger's penis is in the collection of the Smithsonian.



Napolean's penis.

Rasputin's too (also why he was known as Russia's Greatest Love Machine).
Dillinger's pistol (urban legend)


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beverly
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posted 20 July 2004 07:17 PM      Profile for beverly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
30 cms

Gives new meaning to the term foot-long

I wonder how they got it to stay erect in that jar!

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So another eerie resemblence. Rasputin's illegitimate grandson must be Ron Jeremy.
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Tommy Shanks please don't post pictures in the seperated at birth thread.
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posted 21 July 2004 03:39 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Fidel:
Ronald Raygun died of Alzheimer's. It was God's revenge.

Sorry to be a bore, but I am required to do this:

Fidel, a number of babblers have loved ones dying of Alzheimer's. Is that your message to them, that their loved ones are suffering God's revenge?

One day, anyone here could be diagnosed with Alzheimer's. Will that be God's revenge on us, Fidel? On you?


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