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M. Spector
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posted 04 November 2008 09:50 PM
SSM ballot initiatives:Arizona California Florida
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ElizaQ
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posted 04 November 2008 10:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by remind: What I found particularily hilarious are the predictions that all the Jews will now be leaving the USA. The polls in Alaska do not close for 25 more mins, can't wait to see how they vote. Mspector where did you get the results for the SSM voting?
Yes I'm waiting for those results too. Both for the President and for Stevens. These votes on SSM are horrible. Bleh...
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Doug
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posted 04 November 2008 10:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by M. Spector: That's a 55-45 vote in favour of a ban on SSM. Sounds pretty clear to me.Update: it's now 53-47 with 25% of the polls in. [ 04 November 2008: Message edited by: M. Spector ]
I'm hoping that for some reason the LA and San Francisco polls aren't included in that yet.
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ElizaQ
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posted 04 November 2008 10:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by remind: Ya now they are screaming they are happy the end times are near!For gawd's the sky is falling because a black President has finally been elected, I don't think they give a shit about "socialism", it is racism pure and simple. And notice not 1 interview with Palin!!!!
Too bad she did not have to give up her Govenorship!
The ones I have been reading keep calling him a marxist. Ah well she's Alaska's problem now. I see that Stevens is ahead right now there. Interesting, he's likely going to be tossed out of the Senate anyways.
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nycndp
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posted 04 November 2008 10:59 PM
I will be upfront in stating that I voted for McCain. I remain, notwithstanding a result I did not want, profoundly hopeful for our land, and eagerly anticipating the next four to eight years.Barack Obama has the potential to be a transformational President. Clearly, though the Democrats did not get 60 Senate seats, even one who often votes independently cannot be deaf, dumb and blind to what the American people said. Put simply, the people showed that ours is a country where anyone can do anything, if they have the brains, the drive, and the will. Our country is truly an amazing land. It is a land made up of people from all nations. Some people came involuntariiy, and are part of the heritage that Barack Obama partially springs from. Others are descended from people wanting to leave the idiotic culture, ethnic and religious wars. In many respects, the quilt that makes up America is a speaking quilt. To quote Barack Obama's campaign slogans, the quilt says "Yes We Can". What we learned today is that the immigrants whom came here for a merit-dominated rather than religion and ethnicity based experience have prevailed. A few words about the U.S. Presidency, and the hope that he can achieve gretness. The U.S. President is a combination monarch and Prime Minister. In order to lead successfully, they must be inspiring. They also must make decisions. The best of them, such as George Washrington, Ronald Reagan and Abe Lincoln were both inspiring and decisive. Less successful, but still great Presidents such as Truman made gutsy and courageous decisions, but were not particularly inspiring. George W. Bush fits that category. We know that Obama is inspiring. It is up to him how to use his considerable oratorical gifts, and charisma, for the country. He will either soar, or fail miserably. I will never root against my country, and hope, despite my voting for McCain, that he meets his promise. I both hope and fear for the future.
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nycndp
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posted 04 November 2008 11:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by M. Spector: For me, the most astonishing thing about this election is that 47% of the voters voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin. After all that's happened in the last 8 years, that has to represent your hard-core, racist, right-wing vote. And that's an awfully big hard-core right-wing element. The USA is truly fucked up.
Even this number reflects a vast number of voters with no experience in participating in elections, and evaluating promises vs. likely performance. I hope, sincerely, Obama hasn't bitten off more than he can chew. If one figures in people who have voted historically it's probably close to a 50-50 popular vote split.
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ElizaQ
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posted 04 November 2008 11:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by remind:And have you checked out FreeRepublic? They are claimimg McCain and the Repubs ran an honourable campaign and never would again. And of course it is the left wing media's fault. And of course on the Katrina victims who should have been helping themselves as opposed to having their hands out :bigeyes: And that Obama's "people" voted twice, ya right. Idiots I tell ya...
On one thread a few started to blame Limbaugh for his Operation Chaos which somehow got Obama the nomination of the first place. That when on until other came on were like, "What are you, morons? We need Limbaugh now! Don't be throwing him under a bus..." Then of course there's the 'We'll make it through..we have Palin...."
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Catchfire
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posted 05 November 2008 04:28 AM
Morning in Obamerica, Ishmael Reed quote: The great American satirist George Schuyler’s prescient and comic work, Black No More, is about a scientist named Dr. Crookmore who comes up with a formula that turns blacks to white (I wonder how Schuyler would treat the current profitable back- to- Africa DNA hokum). As a result of a country that is totally white, The Civil Rights organizations go out of business, and even the last hold out, the character, based upon the black nationalist Marcus Garvey, in the end, tries some of Dr. Crookmore solution. Would something like this happen were Barack Obama to become president? A country where there exists no social divisions and the issue of race has become defused. The leader of the NAACP says that the work of the organization will continue even with an Obama victory. Why?Wouldn’t it be better that the NAACP shut its doors as cable’s leading conservative intellectual, Tucker Carlson has suggested?Auction off its assets and join the post race fever? In his ”The New Black Aesthetic, ” (1989,) author Trey Ellis announced the arrival of a generation of African Americans who would place the issue of race in the background unlike we “curmudgeons” and “cranks, ” who came of age in the 1960s and who are still carrying on like those Japanese soldiers who weren’t aware that the war was over. “The New Black Intellectuals” were even praised by Robert Boynton in an essay that appeared in the Atlantic Monthly (March, 1995:53-69. ) To many, Martin Luther King’s dream has been realized. He said, ” I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.” Obviously me and my over sixty pals are still lingering in those crooked places and refusing to process the sunlight that is available to everybody else. (Tavis Smiley is our leader). People like us are going to have to adjust to this post race America which resembles a painting by Edward Hicks. A place where Blacks have reached the Promised Land?
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Krago
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posted 05 November 2008 04:35 AM
Obama is trailing by 569 votes in the Nebraska 2nd Congressional District (Omaha). A win there would give him an additional vote in the Electoral College.Electoral College Results Also, Al Franken is losing in the Minnesota Senate race by 1,123 votes with nine precincts still to report. Election Results
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Stargazer
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posted 05 November 2008 04:39 AM
quote: I'm hoping that for some reason the LA and San Francisco polls aren't included in that yet.
Me too Doug, but with Conservative areas like Orange County, I'm not counting on it. I've been listening to the talk, and reading the comments. The USA is a terribly bigoted country. Oh and Massachusetts passed a ballot initiative making it legal to carry 1 oz of personal marijuana. MSpector, I totally concur. With this Obama win, the US of A can now pretend it have no race problems. 47 percent for the decrepit man named McCain and his idiotic running mate, Palin. WTF?
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George Victor
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posted 05 November 2008 06:01 AM
quote: Last night, during McCain's concession speech, when he thanked Sarah Palin for helping him campaign, a bunch of us cheered and yelled out, "Thank-you, Sarah!" My table even drank a toast to Palin. Thanks so much, Sarah! Heckuva job! You betcha!
Yep, Sarah Palin presence, Obama's obviously superior intellect, the collapsed economy, a completely failed Bush administration, etc., etc. etc. ...and it winds up a 52% - 48 % split across a turnout of 131,000,000 voters.
Penny for your thoughts!
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George Victor
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posted 05 November 2008 06:46 AM
quote: Yep, Sarah Palin presence, Obama's obviously superior intellect, the collapsed economy, a completely failed Bush administration, etc., etc. etc. ...and it winds up a 52% - 48 % split across a turnout of 131,000,000 voters.
This evokes thoughts of holograms and technology?
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josh
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posted 05 November 2008 07:13 AM
quote: Originally posted by George Victor:
Yep, Sarah Palin presence, Obama's obviously superior intellect, the collapsed economy, a completely failed Bush administration, etc., etc. etc. ...and it winds up a 52% - 48 % split across a turnout of 131,000,000 voters.
Penny for your thoughts!
Actually, his lead is now 6 points and may grow as the west coast, which always has a heaving mail-in vote, comes in over the next day or two. I take your point, but consider that it has been very difficult for any Democrat to break 50% over the last 40 years.
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Chester Drawers
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posted 05 November 2008 08:47 AM
Back on topic. Now that Obama won, what will be the consequences?I predict. There will be higher taxes, but it will not be the exclusivity of the so called wealthy. Those in the middle will see a hit on the pocket book. No medi-care. NAFTA will remain as is. Iraq war as is. Economic turmoil as is. Manufacturing decline. He is not the messia that everyone is wishing for. The issues and trouble are bigger than what the man can change.
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ElizaQ
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posted 05 November 2008 09:03 AM
Now what? Guess we start hearing who the 'team' is going to be. First up, old Clinton guy, NAFTA pusher and Dem Rep. Rahm Emanuel as Chief of StaffObama Plans to name Emmanual as Chief of Staff quote: In his first major move as president-elect, Barack Obama has asked Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.), a tough-minded tactician with West Wing experience, to serve as his White House chief of staff, Democratic sources tell Politico.Emanuel has said to friends that he wants and will take the job, but it was not a done deal as of early this morning. Obama plans to move swiftly with his transition announcement and could name Emanuel this week, the sources said. He then plans rapid-fire announcements on his economic and national security teams. If Emanuel — a member of the House Democratic leadership with ambitions to one day to be House speaker — were to turn it down, former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) would likely get the nod, the sources said. Some Democrats have warned that Emanuel’s take-no-prisoners style could hurt Obama. But the president-elect wants to move fast to push his legislative agenda through the Democratic-controlled Congress — and Emanuel knows the Hill and power politics as well as anyone in town. “Obama wants a bad cop, so he can be good cop 90 percent of the time,” an adviser said.
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ElizaQ
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posted 05 November 2008 09:48 AM
Chavez wastes no time. *poke poke* quote: n this day of hope for the American people, President Hugo Chávez, on behalf of the people of Venezuela, congratulates the people of the United States and President-elect Barack Obama for his important victory in an election that has captured the attention of international public opinion.This historic election of an African American to lead the most powerful country in the world is a sign that the era of change which has taken root in South America could be reaching the doorstep of the United States. From the homeland of Simón Bolívar, we are convinced the time has come to establish new relations between our countries and in our region, based on the principles of respect for sovereignty, equality and true cooperation. From every corner of the world cries have rung out calling for change in international relations and the construction, as the Liberator Simón Bolívar would have said, of a world of balance, peace and of human coexistence. The government of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela reaffirms its will and determination to build a constructive bilateral agenda, founded upon the absolute respect of sovereignty, for the well-being of the peoples of Venezuela and the United States.
My favorite line: "This historic election of an African American to lead the most powerful country in the world is a sign that the era of change which has taken root in South America could be reaching the doorstep of the United States." Made me giggle. Love or hate the guy Chavez is good at the big political digs like this. [ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: ElizaQ ]
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TVParkdale
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posted 05 November 2008 10:02 AM
quote: Originally posted by remind:
One can only imagine how how this win will impact FN's in Canada, FN youth had already been identifying with him, and I can hardly wait for the empowerment it will give them and for the day we will have a FN PM.
If there was representational voting, Fontaine wouldn't be in office, although the upset to Come seems to have increased his effectiveness. I'd like to see possibly Matthew Coon Come in the PM's chair. Doubt that's likely to happen though! And Leonard Pelletier as President Then it really would be "MY home and NATIVE land"...
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remind
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posted 05 November 2008 11:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by Mojoroad1: Scary...really really scary.
Yes, and so is our own canadian dark site and IMV, it is going to get really ugly, as follows: quote: If Obama is not shot out of office within a year, watch for medicare, unemployment, and universal pension benefits to be created, along with an open southern border policy.
Moreover, I cannot believe that some people actually disagree with medicare, and unemployment and pension benefits! :bigeyes:
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George Victor
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posted 05 November 2008 11:22 AM
quote: Not so curiously, not one Canadian news source even mentions these murders. Another glorious victory for Imperial lapdogs, but hell, the price of gas fell, so who cares, really.
My issue of the Globe and Mail carried a quarter-page spread complete with pix of a kid on a bed with IV line in his arm. "They said the bodies of at least 36 women have been identified, and hundreds more men and women have been injured. Local leaders have yet to establish a firm casualty count because many of the victims remain buried beneath the rubble..."
"The bombing wasn't the end of the ordeal, witnesses said. When the air strikes were over, they said, international troops arrives in three sand-coloured armoured vehicles. "Villagers reported they were intimidated and prvented from leaving to seek medical treatment while the (unidentified in this story) soldiers took pictures." ----------------------- And that nasty new U.S.president who did this obviously couldn't wait until he takes office in the new year.
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nycndp
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posted 05 November 2008 01:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by Michelle: Last night, during McCain's concession speech, when he thanked Sarah Palin for helping him campaign, a bunch of us cheered and yelled out, "Thank-you, Sarah!" My table even drank a toast to Palin.Thanks so much, Sarah! Heckuva job! You betcha!
There is little, besides good looks, that I agree with Sarah Palin on. She supports hunting wolves from helicopters, which is akin to killing a person by hanging them from their fingernails until they die from exposure.Unfortunately we should not be laughing. I am making a prediction, now, that she will be elected in 2012.
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remind
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posted 05 November 2008 02:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by wage zombie: Yeah i agree, she will be a rock star fund raiser for the theo cons. And, if Stevens wins but is barred from the Senate, the seat would be hers if she wants it. I don't think she will though--she'll get more out of being a movement builder than a senator.Remind the fundamentalists are still a big part of the Republican party. The Democrats keep taking House and Senate seats but very few of these are in the reddest districts--so the party moves right with every election loss. Many republicans think they lost because of McCain, and in spite of Palin. He will be alienated, she will not.
Mmmm, I don't know about that, I think centerist Repugs want the fundamentalists and other whack jobs gone, and from what I have been reading around the net world, there is currently a very pointed discussions going on about this. Howevr, I am going to speak with a Republican friend of mine on Long Island later this week to see what his take is on it all, and what is going on behind the public musings.
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Aristotleded24
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posted 05 November 2008 04:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by M. Spector: For me, the most astonishing thing about this election is that 47% of the voters voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin. After all that's happened in the last 8 years, that has to represent your hard-core, racist, right-wing vote. And that's an awfully big hard-core right-wing element. The USA is truly fucked up.
I'm guessing that the uncovering of election fraud will ultimately show McCain's popular vote less than that.
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remind
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posted 05 November 2008 05:51 PM
MSpector, Palast figures something like 10 million formerly registered voters were deprived of their vote, which most certainly changes the figures that you state, which by the way came from where? There is also millions of provisional and abscentee ballots still floating around out there that have not yet been counted. Plus wasn't there something like 118 million voters who voted yesterday? That is over 1/3 of the population of the USA which is 299 million. And 31% of the population is not old enough to vote, and about 11% are foreign nationals that cannot vote. So I find your numbers a bit confusing and off. Also, what I find interesting is that there were 9 million more newly registered voters who have never voted before and who could have, and who did vote. [ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: remind ]
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djelimon
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posted 05 November 2008 05:56 PM
In the US, from what I have read, party affiliation is commonly a part of family tradition.Red states are Red often because it's traditional to vote GOP in those areas. US politics is thus mostly about getting the squishy middle. Anyway, the not-insane guy won
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ElizaQ
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posted 05 November 2008 06:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by remind: [QB]MSpector, Palast figures something like 10 million formerly registered voters were deprived of their vote, which most certainly changes the figures that you state, which by the way came from where? There is also millions of provisional and abscentee ballots still floating around out there that have not yet been counted. Plus wasn't there something like 118 million voters who voted yesterday? That is over 1/3 of the population of the USA which is 299 million. And 31% of the population is not old enough to vote, and about 11% are foreign nationals that cannot vote. So I find your numbers a bit confusing and off.
I just read that when all of the ballots are finally tallied the number is more likely to be closer to 136 million and potentially the highest number of votes ever but so far the highest in close in 100 years. Some analysis here: 538
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Ken Burch
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posted 05 November 2008 06:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by djelimon: In the US, from what I have read, party affiliation is commonly a part of family tradition.
And that's different from Canada?
quote: Anyway, the not-insane guy won
George Papoon in 2008!
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josh
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posted 07 November 2008 07:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by ElizaQ:
I just read that when all of the ballots are finally tallied the number is more likely to be closer to 136 million and potentially the highest number of votes ever but so far the highest in close in 100 years. Some analysis here: 538
Likely to be much less than that, probably 128 million. Due to a drop in the Republican turnout. Highest percentage turnout since 1968. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/11/06/voter-turnout-rate-not-as-high-as-in-68/
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unionist
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posted 08 November 2008 10:01 AM
Chavez to Obama: Focus on humanitarianism quote: “Obama should make a swing toward humanitarianism, toward respectful treatment of the rest of the world,” said President Chavez in his first public comments on Obama's US election victory Tuesday.He stated that the US should begin reforms from inside and it is only then that America could become a great country. “I wish the new US government would keep abreast of the desires of the world and its own people. The US administration should focus first and foremost on internal US matters,” Chavez said.
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