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RevolutionPlease
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posted 14 July 2008 04:08 PM      Profile for RevolutionPlease     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Thank you so much Brendan Stone for this link.

Margaret Parsons

This discussion needs a u-turn. Turns out Canada is using this Israel-Palestine as a smokeshow. And it makes me even more pissed at the NDP but I can understand that they know the real truth is not being reported in Canada.

The woman in the interview was part of the International co-ordinating committee. She saw no hatefest. Hedy Fry, Jean Augustine and Irwin Cotler saw no reason to leave the conference and Hedy Fry was Canada's signatory to the agreement.

Want to know what Canada's 1 objection was? That the trans-atlantic slave trade was a crime against humanity. Really?

There's so much more. Objections to the words African holocaust or African genocide.

Now Harpy's at the G8 and they want to make the #1 issue Zimbabwe for taking white land.

It is an amazing interview and Margaret Parsons is no observer, look her up.

People really interested in this need to listen to Brendan Stone's link. I can't thank you enough Brendan for an uplifting day.


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Cueball
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posted 15 July 2008 12:04 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What was the nature of the Canadian objection to the classification of the slave trade as a crime against humanity?
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posted 15 July 2008 04:12 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Slave Traders, at the time, represented the only democratic force in Africa. They shared our values. And they had legitimate economic concerns ignored by abolitionists who were to known to have connections to terrorists.
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posted 15 July 2008 04:16 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Right, and I think they wanted to build schools for women, and there was something about a loya jirga and free elections. And wasn't Africa being threatened by constant incursions from Pakistan?
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posted 15 July 2008 04:23 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yes, and they were providing economic assistance in helping Africans in moving from a subsistence economy to a modern employment economy. As well, until the slave traders arrived, few Africans had any opportunity for travel.
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posted 15 July 2008 04:29 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I read somewhere that cotton fields had been overcultivated and soil was near exhaustion in some parts of Africa. Enterprising young farmers needed new opportunities to ply their trade.
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posted 15 July 2008 04:34 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yes, it was an era of enlightened immigration policy. We could learn a lot today from those early pioneers of the global economy.
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RevolutionPlease
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posted 15 July 2008 02:50 PM      Profile for RevolutionPlease     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Cueball:
What was the nature of the Canadian objection to the classification of the slave trade as a crime against humanity?

It probably has to do with talk of reparations. Usually Canada has no problem admitting fault unless there's a cost involved.

Here's actual declaration from Durban : ( 62 pg PDF)

Link

This is item 13 on page 6.

quote:
13. We acknowledge that slavery and the slave trade, including the transatlantic slave
trade, were appalling tragedies in the history of humanity not only because of their abhorrent
barbarism but also in terms of their magnitude, organized nature and especially their negation of
the essence of the victims, and further acknowledge that slavery and the slave trade are a crime
against humanity and should always have been so, especially the transatlantic slave trade and are
among the major sources and manifestations of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and
related intolerance, and that Africans and people of African descent, Asians and people of Asian
descent and indigenous peoples were victims of these acts and continue to be victims of their
consequences;

I'm taking some time to read the document.

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What's it to Canada? We never had slavery here so we wouldn't anyone a cent. If there were any reparations it would all be paid by the US, Britain, France and many Arab countries (most of the actual slave traders and profiteers were Arabs). Canada would get off scot-free!
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posted 15 July 2008 03:12 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Stockhom: What's it to Canada? We never had slavery here...
Yes we have, a lot of it too. Look up "Black History" on Canadian web sites.
No reason not to support compensation schemes, of course. Indeed, better reason to do so.

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RevolutionPlease
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posted 15 July 2008 03:13 PM      Profile for RevolutionPlease     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:
What's it to Canada? We never had slavery here so we wouldn't anyone a cent. If there were any reparations it would all be paid by the US, Britain, France and many Arab countries (most of the actual slave traders and profiteers were Arabs). Canada would get off scot-free!

I may not be well enough read but I thought Canada had a role in it. It may also have to do with the inclusion of Asians and indigenous people as well. I'm thinking the railroad.

And the real profiteers were the white folk who inherited the fruits of their labour and still enjoy it today.


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posted 15 July 2008 03:15 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Tsk, tsk Stockholm you forgot to displace blame upon the Africans themselves by pointing out that many of the coastal peoples of the Ivory Coast were also press-ganged into the service of the slave trade to capture people from the inland, and also their traditional enemies. Your slipping.
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posted 15 July 2008 04:02 PM      Profile for reglafella     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
"Yes we have, a lot of it too."

Wasn't it outlawed in the colony before this land became "Canada"? Or in other words, didn't it exist only when this land was an extension of England and France?

It may have happened on this same soil we stand on, but not when we were self-governing.


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posted 15 July 2008 04:18 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well that's exactly the point. We can just create a new corporation, sell the assets of the old corporation to the new one for $1, and voila, it will take them another 200 years to catch up to us.
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remind
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posted 15 July 2008 04:24 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yes, slavery was outlawed long before Canada became a country.

The point still remains Canadians, or rather would become Canadians benefitted from the exploitation of black slaves.


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RevolutionPlease
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posted 15 July 2008 05:51 PM      Profile for RevolutionPlease     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
And Canada is still benefitting today while walking away from the table.
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posted 16 July 2008 12:59 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
No one seems to have come up with any sensible reason to not support a motion naming slavery as crime against humanity, other than the compensastion issue. So that seems to be the best bet, though, I think the likely insitgator of the movement to oppose to motion was the US, who no doubt have a clear responsibility here, and who would certainly have to pay a hefty sum if compensation became actionable in a legal sense.

The motion seems to target the European colonial powers specifically.

Possibly Spain and Portugal too... any idea how they voted?

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Brendan Stone
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posted 06 November 2008 07:43 PM      Profile for Brendan Stone   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Durban Review Update:

"Mohamed Boudjenane, President of the Canadian Arab Federation and recent NGO participant in the Geneva Prepatory Meeting for next year’s World Conference against Racism Review Conference, brings the latest from the Prepatory Meeting - for a conference that only Canada and Israel first categorically refused to attend."

http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/30065


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posted 06 November 2008 09:43 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So Brendan this means that Canada is now participating?
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Brendan Stone
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posted 09 November 2008 09:03 AM      Profile for Brendan Stone   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
It's my understanding that the government is boycotting the next World Conference Against Racism (Durban was a WCAR), but some NGOs are still planning to attend.
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laine lowe
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posted 09 November 2008 12:10 PM      Profile for laine lowe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
A very good read from the blogs at Canadian Dimension:

Canada should end its boycott of Durban II


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