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DrConway
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posted 26 April 2005 10:13 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Scientists want to bring the kilogram into 21st century

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The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) in the United States, is calling for the kilo to be redefined in terms of a natural phenomenon, such as the number of atoms in a silicon crystal, or the amount of magnetic force required to levitate an object in a watt balance.

For 115 years, the kilogram has been defined by a lump of platinum-iridium alloy, kept just outside Paris. But scientists argue that relying on an actual physical artifact leave the kilogram vulnerable to misinterpretation, and means other nations have to travel to France to verify their own standard masses, LiveScience reports.


The article goes on to explain that other units we use in everyday life are now defined in terms of measurable quantities that don't depend on the thing you're using to measure it.

For example the second used to be defined in terms of Earth's own motion, and the meter used to be defined in terms of a distance.

Since both are now defined in terms of the speed of light, which in turn is known to be constant thanks to our knowledge that relativistic effects do indeed take place, we are free of the annoying problem of errors in defining the unit in terms of something that changes over time.

About ten years ago chemists spoke of redefining the kilogram in terms of the mole, 6.02214 * 1023 particles of something, but this foundered, as I understand it, on the fact that redox chemistry does not have the measurement accuracy sufficient to define the kilogram that way.

(It's easy enough to work out. Take a known current, which is defined in terms of something unrelated to the kilogram, and pass it through an electrolytic cell. Run for a known time, which is defined in terms of the speed of light, and you will plate out a known mass. That's the theory, anyway. In practice there's too much secondary errors creeping in for the accuracy to work. You have the diffusive behavior of ions in solution, concentration gradients, and so on. You also get current-flow gradients because you're changing the area of the plate which carries the current into solution, which changes the cell constant, and so on.)

You can start to get some insight into the difficulty of defining a good basis on which to standardize a unit just from my little exposition in the brackets.


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aRoused
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posted 26 April 2005 10:33 AM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Interesting stuff. I knew about the Pt/Ir cylinder's existence but hadn't realized how much of a problem it was. (Well, okay, not *that* big a problem in the face of world hunger, perhaps...)

How about something like '1kg is the relativistic mass of a (very stable atomic nucleus of choice) moving at X% of the speed of light'? Although that likely won't be of any use for calibrating instruments..


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DrConway
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posted 26 April 2005 10:49 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, the atomic weight of carbon-12 (a stable isotope) is defined as 12 amu precisely. We can work out well enough what its mass would be measured to be in the lab frame if you ran it up to say 99% of the speed of light, but I suspect you wouldn't see it go to a kilo until you reached 99.9999%
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fern hill
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posted 26 April 2005 10:58 AM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*thread drift* This discussion reminded me of one of the most fascinating museums I've ever visited Musée des Arts et Métiers. It was started back in the 1780s by a far-sighted abbot who wanted to collect examples of the marvels of science and Enlightenment. There are wonderful exhibits on all sorts of things, but the section on measurement was riveting. (I visited with my sweetie, aka the "Doozer" [Fraggle Rock] who had to be dragged out of the place.) It's barely mentioned in travel guides, but for the science-minded visitor to Paris, it's a must-see. end of thread drift*
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maestro
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posted 26 April 2005 01:56 PM      Profile for maestro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The United States asking for a redefinition of the kilo...maybe when they start using the metric system.
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 26 April 2005 02:24 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While the U.S. may continue to use pounds for most of its weight measurement, I believe they still use Kilo, or "Kee" as a standardized unit of cocaine meansurement. If the Kilogram measure isn't standard it means Crockett and Tubbs could be getting ripped off.
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No Yards
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posted 26 April 2005 02:25 PM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by maestro:
The United States asking for a redefinition of the kilo...maybe when they start using the metric system.

LOL, Yeah, let them redefine the pound and do the conversion.


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