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hell-to-pay
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posted 21 November 2003 08:47 AM      Profile for hell-to-pay     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
okay, in addition to the debate over what it means to be 'free' in the big-ass republic south of the border, here's an article on the phenomenon of baptist ideology, which (i hope) is relevant.... hope nobody is too offended (gawd forbid!!) by a political analysis of everyone's favorite opiate!
Among the Baptists by John Dolan
Keep in mind that religion is a very personal practice, that i'm probably insensitive to (due to excessive exposure to metal/punk music/whatever excuse you wanna cook up). A practice that I can't begin to understand but will honour to the death. Organized religion, however, is a political phenomenon that is quite vulnerable to analysis, criticism, and all that disturbing crap that comes with democracy. Sorry.

Hee hee. Enjoy.


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hell-to-pay
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posted 21 November 2003 08:58 AM      Profile for hell-to-pay     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
oh, and just nobody gets confused...
I don't condone everything published on the eXile. Some of it is kinda mysoginistic or even (gawd forbid!) misanthropic...
I'm pretty sure the column labelled 'jewhunter' is satirical... (they do this sometimes, due to excessive vodka/methamphetamine consumption) but Dolan's one columnist that doesn't screw around.

Just chalk it up to freedom of expression if you disagree. Write them a nasty e-mail and spend the time to refute the bullcrap they spew. You get better results that way.

I apologize for (sic)s in this post. If you'll bother to notice, I wrote this waaay too early in the a.m.


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audra trower williams
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posted 21 November 2003 11:13 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
8am?

What's the verdict? Am I leaving this open?


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oldgoat
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posted 21 November 2003 11:48 AM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not everyone does their best work before noon. I sympathize with the poor fellow. Besides, I liked the article. As a thoroughly lapsed Catholic, I'll have to remember the line "I sir, am an apostate from the TRUE church". I didn't bother looking at any of the other articles on the site.

I've always thought the comparison of the present day US with a Cromwellian theocracy was interesting, and have posted on it before. That's the way they're headed.

Hell-to-pay's other thread is kind of confusing. Maybe it should just be cleared like he wanted.

I never post before my morning coffee.

[ 21 November 2003: Message edited by: oldgoat ]


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statica
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posted 21 November 2003 12:02 PM      Profile for statica   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
just to touch upon the article for a second, reminds me of when -- just recently, the "it's-not-ok-to-be-gay" conference rolled up in toronto, or when HLI (Human Life International) came around a few years ago.

creepy stuff, but when looking at who was attending this toronto conferences, most attendees were actually americans who have driven up ...praise the lord and pass the ammunition.

anyway, ya...sounds like hell-to-pay is just new and nervous. audra, does babble have some r/l or virtual rep we don't know about?

laff, hell to pay: don't panic, anonimity!


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Cougyr
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posted 21 November 2003 01:25 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hell-to-pay, I agree with your statement that "Organized religion, however, is a political phenomenon that is quite vulnerable to analysis, criticism, and all that disturbing crap that comes with democracy." I do think that religion is an important and meaningful personal phenomena. But, my experience of organized religion has very little religion and a great deal of telling everyone else how to behave. Organized religion seems to have one function: to enforce conformity. Organized religion is the great oppressor.And there is a lot of do as I say, not as I do.
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Smith
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posted 21 November 2003 03:24 PM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That is an interesting (if vicious) take on it. I've despaired at the way Focus On The Family Christianity seems to locate all potential for sin and salvation in the individual's crotch, but then, if I subscribe to that kind of doctrine, if I believe that being a good Christian means chastity until (hetero) marriage and rejecting the doctrine of evolution, period, end of criteria, I am going to feel a heck of a lot more important and successful in my universe than a Christian who thinks Christianity requires political engagement.

I must say, from a purely aesthetic standpoint (and that's about all I can offer, blaspheming heathen that I am), I much preferred the Anglican services I've attended to the United Church ones, although of course it does vary from congregation to congregation. Still. Certain newish churches (particularly Protestant ones) seem to be built on the notion that ugliness and mediocrity are the holiest things on earth.


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hell-to-pay
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posted 21 November 2003 04:47 PM      Profile for hell-to-pay     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess what I meant by "waay too early in the a.m." was more like "waay too late at night."

Yeah, I'm well aware that 8 in the morning is not conventionally thought of as late at night. But I like to think outside the box on my days off...


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