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Topic: Judaism vs. science
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unionist
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posted 24 February 2008 07:43 PM
In this thread, we saw some references to pro-Islamic "scholars" who try to reconcile science with religious doctrine. Example: Dr. Maurice Bucaille, some of whose thoughts are found here.Proponents of other religions also try to claim that their views are not in contradiction with science - indeed, like Bucaille, they often go to bizarre lengths to show how ancient texts predicted recent phenomena or scientific discoveries. The irony is that such "prediction" is, in itself, flagrantly contrary to the scientific method. Just to start off the discussion, here is a brief example of Jewish biblical "scholarship", desperately trying to reconcile science with Sinai, miracles, creation, etc. What I find particularly hilarious is that this item (like all others) ridicules the scriptures of other religions as being unverifiable or unscientific, while boasting about how good "our own" are. Bucaille did exactly the same thing, saying that the Old and New Testaments were really out to lunch, while the Qur'an was Allah's gift to science. Example from the Jewish site: quote: A miracle which someone does by walking momentarily on water far away in the middle of a lake in front of a limited number of people is hardly open to verification. By contrast, the miracle of the manna took place for 40 years in front of the whole nation at extremely close range. Someone who was twenty when the miracle began was sixty when it ended. The Jews, the most skeptical nation on earth, were able to go out every day with their scientific equipment and make sure that what was happening was for real.
Our miracles are better than your miracles!! [ 24 February 2008: Message edited by: unionist ]
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unionist
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posted 24 February 2008 08:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by Jaku: I see no real purpose of pitting faith communities against each other in this manner . It leads to much animosity.
Exactly. You are absolutely correct. There is no point in pitting them against each other. Yet that is what Judaism, Islam and Christianity do all the time. Indeed, it's a chief component of their raison d'être. Have you ever heard a Catholic say: "On the whole, I think the Muslims are closer to the truth than we are!"?? You see, it just doesn't work. If there were only one world religion, shared by all, it would still stand condemned for providing unscientific explanations for real phenomena. But at least it would have lost its character of generating fear, hate, xenophobia, and war.
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unionist
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posted 25 February 2008 10:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by Michelle: Ever read Genesis and the Big Bang? (No, it's not about an orgy with Phil Collins.)
This is from a resource recommended by Cueball (thank you) in another thread, talking about the Big Bang: quote: I am not particularly familiar with this theory, or its details. I have watched a television program about it and read an article, but I am not in a position to speak about it in any depth. [...]If Muslim scientists find enough evidence to suggest that the Big Bang Theory explains how the universe came into existence, they would relate that to Allah and His power. They would say that Allah has created the universe by causing a big bang to take place and they would then carry on with their investigations. Their research may lead them to great discoveries, but that does not negate Allah's role. The problem with scientists' research in the West is that it seeks to provide a theory which can be used as an alternative to the fact that the universe is Allah's creation.
Please let me know how well this compares with the Jewish "explanation". I'm inaugurating a faith-physics Olympics.
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unionist
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posted 25 February 2008 11:02 AM
quote: Originally posted by Michelle:
OMG, do I have to? Is this going to be on the test? What's it worth on the final?
You mean, what's it worth on the Final Test? Everything.
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Noise
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posted 26 February 2008 06:35 AM
quote: The irony is that such "prediction" is, in itself, flagrantly contrary to the scientific method.
You've got it. Science will define what it 'believes' (theories) by what it observes while religion will define what it observes by what it already 'believes'. I enjoy this line in particular: quote: The Jews, the most skeptical nation on earth, were able to go out every day with their scientific equipment and make sure that what was happening was for real.
Not only are our miracles better but, we being the most skeptical and scientific nation, means ours are the most 'provable'.
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adam stratton
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posted 26 February 2008 07:17 AM
quote: I see no real purpose of pitting faith communities against each other in this manner . It leads to much animosity.
More than that, unionist is deliberately stirring discord amongst Babblers, with cheerleading from his "clique" who, while tripping on each other to support him, found no qualm with his partiality and his double standard. Muslim Saudi Arabia's "oppression, torture and killing of people today is far worse than Nazi Germany", said unionist. When asked whether he can also qualify Israel's same practice today towards Palestinians as "worse than Nazi Germany's", he never replied. (Nor did any of his cheer leaders). Open season on Muslims but criticizing a Jewish state is taboo, unionist and his cheerleaders seem to imply. [ 26 February 2008: Message edited by: adam stratton ]
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Noise
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posted 26 February 2008 07:51 AM
quote: No theory can spring unblemished from mere observations.
Need an apple to hit you in the head? You are right, I left it as a simplified one liner... But ultimately the theories are defined (and disproven) by observations. quote: that are fashioned into best-yet theories and constantly on the block for refinement and eventual replacement
I beleive all theory falls into that category, no?
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