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Michelle
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posted 14 July 2002 02:26 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think a while back in the Feminism forum we had a thread about the utopian feminist city.

Along the same lines, except without the specifically feminist slant, what would your utopian neighbourhood include? Would it be urban or rural? What type of housing, what type of zoning, etc.?


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posted 14 July 2002 03:12 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It would have broad sidewalks, well-paved and maintained, with canopies that could unfurl when it rains. Moving sidewalks would permit for rapid movement of those who might not be able to walk long distances, but who enjoy getting out once in a while.

Between the sidewalks and the streets would be plenty of greenery - trees, shrubs, bushes, that sort of thing. It would be high enough to partially buffer the sound of automobiles passing by.

(and all that extra greenery would help with the carbon dioxide problem. )

Streets would be generally well-lit, with call boxes at every intersection in case of emergency - be it fire, ambulance, or police. Perhaps kiosks randomly spread throughout the city where one can make phone calls, get e-mail, check up on a pager, et cetera. Also mailboxes at alternating intersections outside of downtown and inside downtown, at every intersection.

Apartments would all have good ventilation to ensure good airflow and to minimize heat build-up in any one location.


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posted 27 July 2002 06:20 PM      Profile for anna_c     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
interesting question, too bad there have not been more contributions! i'd be interested to hear others' thoughts. i have been thinking about this and related topics lately, i'm not sure why. perhaps it is because, in a microcosmic sense, i am trying to effect the kind of changes that would, with a lot of work and cooperation result in something like my ideal community. my perfect neighbourhood would be urban, but not in the sense generally connoted by that word. it would be located in a fairly temperate zone, where it would not get colder than, say zero degrees celsius, where the seasons were of roughly equal length, and there was a "healthy" level of precipitation. the neighbourhood would be nearly self-sustaining: it would have community gardens, community kitchens, cottage-industries, libraries, gathering places, athletic centres, a film society, schools, medical clinics, etc. it would also be self-regulating, and, on the basis of free-association, follow consensus decision-making procedures. it would have a free bike program. driving cars would be very restricted. there would be outdoor markets and street theatre groups and musicians. there would be progressive labour laws, and a social structure such that no one was unsupported or left in need. no women would ever get raped or otherwise assaulted; walking outside after dark would be taken for granted. all facilities would be public. there would be public debates, poetry slams, art galleries, music festivals. etc. etc.
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posted 27 July 2002 09:24 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't forget street-parties on the slightest pretext. Otherwise, i think you have it covered.

Set the residential housing back from the main street, so everyone can have a garden. Add a few dog-walking trails. Recruit a neighbourhood watch, where all able-bodied adults take turns being the police. If you put an electric wheelchair next to every mailbox, you don't need moving sidewalks: people can borrow one when they're tired and leave it at another mailbox when they arrive.


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posted 29 July 2002 12:15 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lots of mixed-used high density residential/commercial development. Preferably old-style brick apartments with shops on the main floor, apartments upstairs. Wide sidewalks and narrow streets(transit and cycle only, of course). Trees down the centre of the boulevard. Pleanty of parks and public spaces.

Distrubing trend alert: Large , bigbox retail mega-complexes aree springing up on the outskirts of this city. Accesible only by car, these godawful monuments to consumerism, home to all yor faves (wal-Mart, Indigo, Home Depot etc.) are being dubbed (community name here) Commons. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but wasn't the term "common" originally used to describe a public gathering place? This is just so wrong.


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posted 29 July 2002 01:44 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I want to come and live in your neighbourhoods... if I don't run away and dig a moat.

I'd like to add a charitable second hand store, such as a Sally-Anne or something, people can drop off things they don't want, they are refurbished and sold at reasonable prices to those who need/want them. That, combined with a composting and recycling program, would result in almost zero garbage.

Bird feeders too! A babbling brook...


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posted 29 July 2002 01:47 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think my neighborhood is about as close to perfect as you can get in real life... Within blocks of grocery store, smaller shops for art, jewellery, butcher, baker, fish, organic grocery, hardware (an old mom and pop operation), books, vintage/second-hand clothes, coffee shops, a couple of very good restaurants, ice cream/candy store. Big old trees, lots of playgrounds and green space, older houses, walk-up apartments. Some subsidized housing. We have an arts festival that goes for a whole week every spring. 15 minute walk from downtown. People walk places, say hello, get to know each other. More racial diversity (and economic diversity) than the rest of the city. Very active community association.

We also have a fair sized yard and a biggish old house, just the sort I've always wanted to live in, and affordable. I really love my neighborhood.

(Edited twice for spelling and grammer... I have a stuffy head today, not as swift as usual...)
[ July 29, 2002: Message edited by: Zoot Capri ]

[ July 29, 2002: Message edited by: Zoot Capri ]


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posted 29 July 2002 01:58 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My neighbourhood is pretty close to ideal, too. But I'd like to ban creeps on Harleys from roaring down the street.

Come to think of it, I'd like to ban Harleys, then SUVs, then...


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posted 29 July 2002 02:08 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was recently at a place called Mackinaw Island. It's up between Lake Huron and Lake Michigan. While revoltingly touristy, the draw of the place is that cars havn't been allowed there since 1897. (I guess they didn't like the first one they saw.) Anyway, there is a medium sized town that runs just fine with horses. The atmosphere in every way is much improved. Mechanical street sweepers are horse drawn. The UPS wagon was pulled by horses. Lots of taxis, or you could rent a horse.

I'd just like to add that feature to the above excellent suggestions.


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Michelle
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posted 29 July 2002 04:02 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Say, Zoot, I just read recently that Regina is the per capita murder capital of Canada. I read it and thought, "Oh, I have to rib Zoot about this" - but I couldn't find that thread in which Slick was teasing you about Regina. Oh well, here's as good a place as any.
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Michelle
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posted 29 July 2002 04:04 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, oldgoat, that sounds cool - if you're not a horse.
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posted 29 July 2002 05:33 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wwwwweeeeelllll ... skdadl will just stroll past those two ...

(Although, Spring Chicken, I agree: my ideal community would have no private internal combustion engines, anyway ... maybe a few taxis ... enough taxis, shall we say?)

I live in another of those neighbourhoods that is about as good as things get under the current dispensation. Forgive me for being unable to forget the current dispensation.

If I were younger and sane, I would appreciate my good fortune. As it is, I find myself fantasizing more and more about ideal villages, bucolic settings that would have bored me silly until the last few years.

I have imagined a lively central village, with little compounds of three or four houses set closely together, each compound about a mile or so from the centre. Each li'l group of houses would be ulta-electronically connected, for safety, help, easy communication -- but for privacy as well. And each would be surrounded by wilderness. I still haven't worked out garbage problems. God, but garbage is a curse, especially in this climate. I'm building up to an essay on maggots.


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posted 29 July 2002 05:45 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like the idea of hansom cabs and horse-drawn trolleys. Horses don't mind working, as long as they're fed and treated well, with a nice communal meadow for their off time. (Oh yeah, they'll also eat the vegetable scraps.)

Just to complete the nostalgia-fit, i want a pot-bellied stove in the hardware store, to sit around, whittle and talk politics in winter. And a fountain in the central square for the same purpose in summer.

Let's put a moat around the whole village and not have any cars. The Walfart and Home Despot will starve to death if nobody can - or needs to - get to them.

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posted 29 July 2002 06:07 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Say, Zoot, I just read recently that Regina is the per capita murder capital of Canada. I read it and thought, "Oh, I have to rib Zoot about this"

Yeah, yeah, yeah... Wondered how long it would take before somebody brought it up...

Funny thing is, I've always taken for granted my safety walking after dark. There are very few places here I feel nervous about going. I find it really hard to reconcile this being a "murder capital", when really, there are only two or three a year, generally. I guess size matters, eh? Especially on that old per capita business.

The big problem, not just in Regina, but in the whole province, is that the needs of the aboriginal population haven't been adequately addressed. Most of the murder victims are aboriginal people and usually are killed by acquaintances. Our provincial justice minister made a statement to that effect after the latest stats came out, and I said to myself, "Well, no duh!!" Like this is new or something...

Anyway, I've found Regina a pretty safe place, I even used to go jogging 'round the neighborhood here at 10:00 or 11:00 at night. Have always walked places at night, rarely have I been hassled.


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Michelle
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posted 29 July 2002 10:01 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
(Although, Spring Chicken, I agree: my ideal community would have no private internal combustion engines, anyway ... maybe a few taxis ... enough taxis, shall we say?)

Just curious, Skdadl, I've been wondering this for a while because you mention this occasionally.

How is it any more environmentally friendly to take a taxi than to take a car? You're still using an individual car to run your errand - I don't see how it would matter whether you take your own car to the grocery store or you take someone else's car. The bus I can see, because one bus replaces, what, 30 cars? But one taxi only replaces one car.


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posted 30 July 2002 02:07 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Yeah, oldgoat, that sounds cool - if you're not a horse.

I know a bit about horses, and I didn't see a single one that wasn't in excellent condition. The livery places etc. had lots of paddock space, were open to public view, and btw had lots of horses standing around even though it was peak time, which suggests they allow for the animals to take breaks.

Perhaps though not so ideal for someone who does not share my comfort with horses.


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posted 30 July 2002 06:26 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm comfortable with horses, provided they're on the other side of a fence... Big animals with really hard feet that can kick... Makes me a little nervous.

Think I'll stick with my bicycle, but not at -30. Then I really do want my car.


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posted 30 July 2002 07:55 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, I was just teasing a bit, oldgoat. I'm sure it would be lovely if the horses were well-treated, and in this day and age I'm sure they would be in a small town.
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posted 30 July 2002 09:14 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I knew what may have been the last civilian working horse in Toronto. He delivered bread in the neighbourhood behind my school. That beast was popular: the kids would save their applecores and peppermints for him.
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posted 08 August 2002 02:27 AM      Profile for dale cooper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Zoot, I live in the same neighbourhood as you, but I'm right on the main street. Get rid of motorcycles and people gunning their engines 24/7 and it may be utopia.

Although I belive all city planning should be done with the population in mind.

Regina is built in a BAD location, due to politics at the time of its founding. Place it 100 kms in any direction so that the land is beautiful and not owned by the founding fathers and it's a great city.

Then clean the river.


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posted 08 August 2002 10:08 AM      Profile for Slick Willy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Toronto is getting worse and worse for driving.
The upside is I guess the worse Toronto gets the closer it comes to becoming the first city to restrict the use of the private cars.

I think part of the problem here is that there are too many people trying to cash in on the problem.
Even the TTC and Go Transit are poorly run to the point people refuse to use them and will opt for spending hundreds of dollars each month just for a parking spot downtown.

It could be a lot different I think but with so many corupt fingers scratching for the limited cash there isn't an easy way to make any changes.


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posted 08 August 2002 02:50 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I never thought the TTC was all that bad. Torontonians should live in a small city and try to depend on public transit for a while and they'll see how excellent the TTC really is.

That's not to say that it couldn't be better, of course.


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posted 08 August 2002 04:53 PM      Profile for Slick Willy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've lived in both and the TTC is not bad compared to some. It blows as far as what it could be. Drivers close doors on you, buses sit while passengers wait, my personal favorite is three streetcars sit together the last one empty all going the same direction while crowds gather going the other way. Rather than simply having the last empty streetcar change direction right there in the station they sit and have a bit of a read of the paper and head out empty following the two cars before it. Those passengers can wait an extra 10 or 15 minutes for the three cars to come around the otherway and pick them up.

Some drivers I wonder about as well. I mean as the driver of a bus or streetcar should you stop at red lights? Or if you have to stop at a green light to pick up passengers, procced through once they are aboard?


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posted 08 August 2002 04:55 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I find the Ottawa Transit system works quite well. They need more trains though.
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