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Wilf Day
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posted 17 April 2004 11:51 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One of the oldest debates in the left is between two versions of the equality goal: Equality of opportunity, or equality of condition?

The Spanish socialist party has neatly squared the circle in their statement of principles:

quote:
Freedom, so that each person can carry out his or her personal project of life.

Equality of conditions so that all people can develop to their capacities and potentials.

Solidarity, so that all people are assured their basic necessities.



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MacD
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posted 17 April 2004 12:04 PM      Profile for MacD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Equality of condition" seems like a meaningless concept once one accepts freedom as a fundamental principal. If people have the freedom to choose their own "personal projects", then clearly, they are choosing to pursue different conditions. How can one assess equality when people are pursuing different goals?

Instead of "Equality of Condition", I would substitute some statement about universal access to the resource one requires to achieve one's personal project. Would this put me in the "Equality of Opportunity" camp?

The debate over equality of condition versus opportunity seems to me to be rooted in the idea of having as much "stuff" as everyone else, i.e. in consumerism, and therefore implicitly accepts the rightist notion of property AS freedom. I would prefer goals that are stated in terms of a broader conception of freedom and autonomy.

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praenomen3
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posted 17 April 2004 01:54 PM      Profile for praenomen3        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remember an NDP bumper sticker saying something like "The things we want for ourselves, we want for everyone" - that bothered me for some reason I couldn't quite put my finger on. I think the post above explains it.

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wei-chi
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posted 17 April 2004 11:21 PM      Profile for wei-chi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Exactly! How far do you go to provide an equality of conditions? Do you ensure everyone gets the same grades in high school? Do you pass a law stating that everyone must drive an '86 Cadillac, red? Do you prevent talented people for excelling? A world of clones?

I think I'm in the opportunity camp too.


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kyall glennie
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posted 18 April 2004 02:41 PM      Profile for kyall glennie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Aren't equal conditions required prior to equal opportunities being available?

Does someone from an opressed minority have the same opportunities as someone from the privileged majority, or should we equalise their conditions first before they have those same opportunities for success?

I think I'm in the "condition" camp because I don't see it as a measure of having the same car and high school education, but rather having a non-opressive environment to function to one's fullest. *That* is equality of condition, therefore leading to equality of opportunity. I don't think they are mutally exclusive.


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posted 18 April 2004 04:00 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would suggest that "condition" should be defined as a baseline condition, not potential condition. Nobody should be starving, shelterless, or without access to health care, because these are the conditions necessary for the stability necessary to launch on your personal project of life. One of the great fictions of western freedom-talk is the belief that freedom to achieve can exist when there is great disparity in starting conditions. This is what I would take "equality of condition" to mean -- a standard below which no person will be allowed to fall by the community.
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nonsuch
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posted 18 April 2004 04:01 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm content with equality of opportunity, as long as it includes the opportunity to grow up healthy and confident and free to choose a life project.

This would mean protecting every child from abuse, disease, hunger, neglect, fear and self-loathing. It would mean the same quality of education for every child, the same extracurricular (sports, art, music, life skills) programs and the same access to help with homework. It would mean an equal chance at higher education, whether it's funded by one's parents or not.

In order to provide all of that, we'd need to reorganize society considerably. I think we'd automatically end up with a great similarity of conditions.


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DrConway
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posted 18 April 2004 05:23 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Equality of opportunity necessarily requires equality of condition.

We cannot claim ourselves to really be a society of equal opportunity when there are those who cannot achieve their full potential because of lack of access to basic housing and proper food.


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