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posted 20 September 2002 06:51 PM
The sculpture “Tumbling Woman” by artist Eric Fischl is fantastic. Seeing the photo of the work intensely moved me reminding of the figures frozen in lava from ancient Pompeii. There is a message in the Destruction of the Tower --- it's Tarot Card # XVI which depicts the flaming tower and falling people from it. Fischl's work is raising the ire of so many who seem afraid of symbolism. Yet no doubt this same crowd were glued to the ostentatious INFOtainment show last week that preyed on their emotions for financial and political gain. I tuned the whole thing out disgusted by it. Also I’ve read too many ridiculous complaints about the sculpture that condemn nudity as obscene. One really has to wonder about the emotional maturity of somebody who’s afraid of the human figure. BTW this is representational, not real, drawn from imagination – not a documentary photograph. Populations would be better served if ART education replaces religion. Art embraces symbolism for what it is an expression of archetypal myths. There is always room for ritual in the making and presentation of art. Symbolism is the language of the subconscious and ART is the expression of dreams. Religions on the other hand brainwashes cultures into hating the other so much so that often these political action groups endorse murder and slavery rather then reveal that they are dealers in superstitious hot air. Make ART Not WAR
From: Wild in the City | Registered: Sep 2002
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nonsuch
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posted 21 September 2002 12:48 AM
But... without war and religion, just what would Art be about?You can only look at so many pictures of flowers, landscapes, fawns and lovers before you grow bored. Those pictures are never as moving, powerful, etc. as depictions of suffering and violence, devotion and martyrdom. Anyway, nice, positive, life-affirming art doesn't go over well with the critics. (It's a fine piece, reminescent of Rodin. 13 months ago, nobody would have given it a second thought.) [ September 21, 2002: Message edited by: nonesuch ]
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posted 21 September 2002 11:24 AM
How did you respond to Damien Hirst's comments?Damien Hirst recants I wish he wasn't forced by PC'ism since the WTC was quite a work of performance art indeed. Yes of course the event was a disaster for NY what troubles me so much is that the Gun Culture driven by the NRA in the USA is incapable of accepting personal responsibility for WTC implosion. No that is not a stretch to connect Carlyle weapons dealers, including Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld to the catastrophe and to the current nuclear terror we face from their shenanigans.
From: Wild in the City | Registered: Sep 2002
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'lance
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posted 21 September 2002 12:02 PM
quote: Didn't a German artist, whose name escapes me, make similar remarks right after 9/11?
You're thinking of the composer Karlheinz Stockhausen, I reckon. He was widely quoted as saying that the WTC destruction was "the greatest work of art." But according to Louis Menand in the New Yorker, Stockhausen said it was the greatest work of art created by the Devil. Menand says that his remarks were allegedly truncated by a German reporter for purely domestic reasons.
From: that enchanted place on the top of the Forest | Registered: Jul 2001
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Slick Willy
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posted 21 September 2002 12:16 PM
quote: Yes of course the event was a disaster for NY what troubles me so much is that the Gun Culture driven by the NRA in the USA is incapable of accepting personal responsibility for WTC implosion.
Salt in the wound is what it looks like. Is that the same personal responsibility that the War Culture driven by tribes in Afganistan are incapable of accepting for the 500 pounders dropped on them? Have you accepted your portion of the responsibility for the terrorist attacks yet?
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posted 21 September 2002 01:15 PM
Yes of course --- personally I am in withdrawal for OIL addiction.Essentially we have to change our greedy ways. It's not right that 3 billion + people on earth don't have access to clean water or electricity. Earth's natural resources can't support 6 billion + driving cars. Consumption is not our exclusive domain. I agree With Canada's PM --- we in the West humiliate the poor. Also it is essential in the plan to get people out of religious mumbo jumbo --- brainwashing constituents selling real estate in never never land is sickening.
From: Wild in the City | Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 23 September 2002 09:34 PM
There is no such thing as bad publicity for Artists. Thanks to the outrage of a handful this sculpture is on to the front page though and good for Fischl.What a sad thing that some are so afraid of their imagination’s dark corners that they succumb to hysteria over a work of fiction. People could live fear free lives if they would explore and confront the images that haunt the sub conscious. Art experience can induce epiphany the state of transcendental euphoria for those willing to let go and enjoy. Art’s aim is ecstasy is the perceiver. Religion is the suppression/ repression of imagination.
From: Wild in the City | Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 24 September 2002 12:50 PM
What an odd thing to say about not believing ---Does having imaginary friends equal something? Life is what one makes of it as we each write, produce and act out our personal scripts. Religions are businesses selling real estate in never never land. Sadly each one sets itself up against the others perpetuating hatred. Religion is the practice of myth, magic and superstition and as such belongs in dusty museum vaults with other artifacts cataloguing evolution.
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