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josh
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posted 22 December 2002 10:07 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B58424BD2

The only quibble I would have with the article was that the pogroms from 1881 on, more than the Dreyfus Affair, spurred the birth of Zionism.

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Mishei
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posted 22 December 2002 10:35 AM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry I didn't see this thread and I also posted this good piece on another thread.

Dreyfus was certainly a key ingredient that moved Herzl to develop the concept of Zionism. Many factors later certainly led to its eventual happening.


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lagatta
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posted 22 December 2002 10:40 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, indeed, but the importance of the Dreyfus case was that it occurred in "enlightened" France. Many progressives saw pogroms as a manifestation of "backwardness", like endemic drunkenness and wife-beating, that could be overcome by social and educational progress.

Of course the massification of pogroms in Russia and Eastern Europe in the late 19th and early 20th century was a reaction to a general rise in social movements, and using Jews as a convenient scapegoat. In that sense the "industrialisation" of pogroms (planning and encouraging them) was a thoroughly modern phenomenon.

But of course Zionism was only one of several responses to this renewed threat. The Bundists, for example, also saw Jews as a people or nation, but did not see a national state as the solution.


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Mishei
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posted 22 December 2002 10:43 AM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
True lagatta and where is the Bundist movement today?
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lagatta
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posted 22 December 2002 11:40 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm, I could answer "where is the Zionist movement"? but I know that is a point on which we simply must agree to disagree. Personally I am a revolutionary internationalist, wavering between Rosa and Emma. And don't think the high degree of Jewish involvement in internationalist movements is a historical blip.

I have been trying to find the text of the monumental poem by Yitzak, or Itzak, Katznelson (I have tried all the various transliterations of his first name, even the translation as Isaac) "Song of the Murdered Jewish People", on line, but I can't find the excerpt I have been looking for, a loving and funny look (black humour, perhaps, in the context of that funereal poem) at the arguing squabbling Jews (internationalist socialists and communists, bundists, Zionists of various stripes) who would argue and squabble until their death swept them away, and swept away the contribution Jewish critical thought and social activism had made to the society as a whole.


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Mishei
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posted 22 December 2002 12:27 PM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lagatta, quite right a phenomenal piece of work. I will see if I can find it as well.
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lagatta
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posted 22 December 2002 12:46 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you, I'd appreciate that.

Unfortunately I don't read Hebrew script, so I can't read the original Yiddish text. Thus a translation - into English or French (or Spanish or Italian, though fewer babblers could read it...). I can read German a bit too, but not very well.

(Edited to add, avoiding double post...):

Another work that had the same quality of being written from within the Holocaust, so to speak, is the last few paintings by German painter Felix Nussbaum. Here is a column by Robert Fulford on his work: http://www.robertfulford.com/Nussbaum.html

There are also many high-quality reproductions of his work available on the web. In a sense Nussbaum did in pictures, and for Western, German-speaking Jewry something similar to the written work of Yiddish-speaking Katznelson in the East, literally hidden away from the destruction neither of these artists were able to escape.

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satana
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posted 22 December 2002 01:47 PM      Profile for satana     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Le Chant du peuple juif assassiné
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jeff house
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posted 22 December 2002 01:55 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My quibble is that the author "forgets" to include the fact that the Magna Carta signed by King John in 1215 expressly banned Jews from the realm.

The article subtly suggests British exceptionalism to anti-semitism.


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lagatta
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posted 22 December 2002 02:00 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks a lot, Satana. The French piece, like the English translations I found, is just a brief excerpt. The original is an extremely long, complex poem. I'll try to find it at the Jewish Public Library in Montreal http://www.jewishpubliclibrary.com/ or at a university library, but fear they might only have the original Yiddish, and I plead ignorance, alas! (And it is too long to ask a Yiddish-speaking friend to provide an approximate translation).
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