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Vigilante
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posted 19 November 2005 07:18 PM      Profile for Vigilante        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I sorta had to respond to the last bit of posts. First in dealing with Eric I will remind you(as I've said a number of times)that I don't desire a return to hunter-gathering society. I adressed this in the 50 "strategy" thread.

Anyway, when it comes to comparing Chiefdoms, I did say that some are better then others. Certainly the Iroquias and what they built was not the worse Cheifdom,and yes you can say that some tribal societies are more authoritarian and patriarchical overall, however it cannot be ingnorred how Cheifdoms tend to come about. And at the end of the day, the most egalitarian band/tribe society is better then the most "egalitarian" Cheifdom.I am also certainly not determistic when it comes to agriculture. Not all people who dwelved into it created division of labour societies. However it is important to look historically at the instrumentalist turn that just enough agricultural societies went through(unconsiously of course)

And as far as your last point goes, those reforms do not adress the fundamental authoritarian bases that defines them. In case you havn't noticed, all those reforms in the last 60 or so years across various parts of the world are starting to come apart. It's really only a matter of time before another 1929 senerio happens again. Do we do the reformist dance again, or do we destroy these instruments of opression once and for all. And as far as rights goes, the problem with rights is that you place them within a specialized biopolitcal sphere that can take them away in a minute as Agamben points out in homeo sacer. And true liberation will only come when subjects have destroyed the authoritarian bases astablised labels that have been given to them(woman and black being an obvious example)and define themselves and their own autonomy recipicorally alongside one n other.


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Vigilante
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posted 19 November 2005 07:39 PM      Profile for Vigilante        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now to Bluesky

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Again, I agree with the authoritarian analysis of the word "universiality". However, I think you are guilty of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

As for "objectivity", it is only politically damaging in relation to politics. In relation to objects and non-political inquiries it is benign. If I point to this chair and ask you what I am pointing at you will tell me that I am pointing at a chair. The object has been communicated inter-subjectively by the use of reason and language. If I ask you to define THE objective political position that everyone should follow, you will fail, because politics is subjective by definition. Politics is the interplay of power between different Xs.


Well I was mainly talking about politics to begin with so I'm not sure I dissagree with your last point.

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If a time existed when there were no masters, and that time was dominated by consensus based community, it follows that the masters must have commonality and form communities, because their dominance is resultant of a time of political equality.

Again' I don't care to fetish dialectical entrails as much as I am concerned with how those masters formed those communiteis on a governmentalizing level. It is my desire to undue that damage. No Gods No Masters as the anarchist ethic goes.

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"It" can only be contexualized and seen in constant multiplicity if "it" has a name.

Well that depends. The anti-globalization movement is a good analogy of what I'm talking about. There is something of a name, but there is reciprocity between the macro and micro.

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This is where you and I disagree. Politial inequality are not the result of reason or of labels. Labels and reason are the result of class based inequality stemming from the current means of production.

There is no exclusive cause of political inequality, however reified labels and concepts are a symptom that should be challenged, particularly on an anti-authoritarian level.

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Yes, in the end. However, for the meantime the actions of the Chief, if in accordance with the consensus - which is reciprocal - yields a consensus based political outcome.

Well again, I don't care about dialectical trails the way you do. The point is on an existential level, I want this meantime desmantled. Consensus in its most vivid level is gone. The point is to create a world of equal access to get it back.

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Spoken like an anarchist.

That I am. One who wants the totality of civilization destroyed.


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