Is G.W. Bush delusional? Do his fantasies direct policy, thus affecting the lives of millions of people?

[ 30 July 2004: Message edited by: TemporalHominid ]

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Originally posted by TemporalHominid:
Is G.W. Bush delusional? Do his fantasies direct policy, thus affecting the lives of millions of people?

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Originally posted by Michelle:
Seems to me like he's saying that it's delusional when your end-times apocalypse faith affects policy.

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Did Bush say God told him to go to War?

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God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.

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The Arabic-speaking colleague's translation is here:
Orders from the Highest Authority?

Whitehouse Link to Prayer Breaky address, Sunday, February 6, 2003

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''Events aren't moved by blind change and chance''..., but by ''the hand of a just and faithful God.''

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Does Christian fundamentalist certainty influence the Bush admin's policies, and make the Bush administration prone to making "faith based policies"?

[ 31 July 2004: Message edited by: TemporalHominid ]

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Originally posted by Gir Draxon:
Faith influences both good and bad policies. Your post implies that W is a delusional whackjob because he is a Christian, and that is just plain unacceptable.

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...he labels the tourist industry in Cuba sex tourism and calls those who visit our country coming from the United States "paedophiles" and "pleasure seekers".

Mr Bush does not hesitate either in tarring Canadian tourists with the same brush when everybody knows that the overwhelming majority of them are pensioners and senior citizens who, in the company of their relatives, come to enjoy the exceptional safety and calm, the politeness, culture and hospitality that they find in our country.

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Fidel on Bush, alcoholism and crackpot religiosity

Fidel makes the connection between Bush's (incomplete) recovery from alcoholism and his "fundamentalist approach"...mostly by collating Dr. Frank and Michael Moore's materials..

[ 01 August 2004: Message edited by: N.Beltov ]

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Originally posted by nonesuch:
Horesfeathers! He's no more religious than i am. There is nothing remotely Christian in anything he's done as president or governor - or probably ever.

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I sympathize with your position on this. Keep in mind, though, the terrible things done by religious people throughout history. Most of the Fundamentalists that I have met have been complete nutters, full of contradictions. You know the type: against abortion because it's killing, but for capital punishment because they deserve what's coming to them. Or similar nonsense. Nut cases attach themselves to religion. In Bush's case, he has the power to annihilate the world, if God tells him to do it.

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Originally posted by Cougyr:
Keep in mind, though, the terrible things done by religious people throughout history.

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Much evil (i have no problem with that word) has been done in the name of religion, or ideals, but you need to look at the balance-sheet before judging the sincerity of the leaders.
The followers, minions, troops and mobs who do the actual killing may be carried away by zeal... then again, i always wonder how much of that is simple blood-lust with permission.

Of course, none of this means that the leaders are sane - only that they don't really believe in the deity whose name they use.

[ 02 August 2004: Message edited by: nonesuch ]

There was fuss last year when a group of Methodist bishops publically denounced Bush for enacting policies contray to Jesus' teaching. Good for them.

Contrast this with the flak that John Kerry has been getting from his church.

[ 02 August 2004: Message edited by: DownTheRoad ]

In Al Franken's "Lies, and the Lying Liars ..."

he mentions meeting the guy who took bush jr. out for a week or so of intensive bible study. Supposedly the spent their day studying one particular chapter, verse by verse, discussing its every meaning, and the rest of their time living simply and wholesomely.

I don't remember the part of the bible (New Testament) they focused on, but it turned out that Franken knew all about it because his son had to study it for a college essay.

So, Franken asks the guy about it, and the guy was clueless, blabbering about other parts of the New Testament, trying to guess right. Franken says it makes you wonder how seriously they were examining this stuff for a week (or more)?

Bush's religion is just some shallow, mindless soup of generalities that he uses to justify his mindless soup of generalities in general.

America=good, Capitalism=good, Christianity=good,
Me being president=good, me being rich=good, people who make me rich=good,

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Bush's religion is just some shallow, mindless soup of generalities that he uses to justify his mindless soup of generalities in general.

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Originally posted by nonesuch:
. . .Then, it's just a matter of stoking that anger and pointing in the direction you want them to charge. Say it's for God or the Fatherland, Liberty or Democracy, the flag, mother and apple pie... Works every time.

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Yup. It's the politics of fear. That's why I believe that the American people are complicit. It they'd stop letting themselves fall for the patriotic crap, their leaders would have to back off.