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Américain Égalitaire
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posted 07 April 2006 10:53 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Waco Trib-Herald

I saw Nye on Olbermann tonight where he was trying hard to downplay the whole incident but Nye has been biting against the intelligent design/creationists for some time.

quote:
The Emmy-winning scientist angered a few audience members when he criticized literal interpretation of the biblical verse Genesis 1:16, which reads: “God made two great lights — the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.”

He pointed out that the sun, the “greater light,” is but one of countless stars and that the “lesser light” is the moon, which really is not a light at all, rather a reflector of light.

A number of audience members left the room at that point, visibly angered by what some perceived as irreverence.

“We believe in a God!” exclaimed one woman as she left the room with three young children.

Nye also was critical of what he said was governmental agencies’ lack of action, even lack of understanding, in protecting the Earth from global warming and wasted resources.



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posted 07 April 2006 10:55 PM      Profile for gunnar gunnarson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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“We believe in a God!” exclaimed one woman as she left the room with three young children.

That crazy lady from Trading Spouses sure gets around, doesn't she.


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posted 07 April 2006 11:27 PM      Profile for JPG     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess these people didnt reach whatever grade it is that they teach you basic astronomy.
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And these are the people who are supposedly safeguarding "the free world"...

Kinda makes ya shiver, don't it?

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posted 08 April 2006 02:17 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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A number of audience members left the room at that point, visibly angered by what some perceived as irreverence.

Maybe there was Kool-Aid in the lobby.

But I have to wonder why total nutters like that would care to see a person who pretty much has the word "Science" in his name? Didn't they know he might present facts?


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posted 08 April 2006 09:11 AM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, heckle The Science Guy, that's a great idea.

'Hey, fundie! I got acid up here, and I'm not afraid to use it.'


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From what I can remember learning in high school it is that Billy Nye's muscles are superior to all other humans. Have you ever watched his show? He moves supremely fast, can alter time and do whatever he wants.

That woman needs to bow down to the new God. BILL NYE THE SCIENCE GOD.

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posted 20 April 2006 01:35 PM      Profile for Bobolink   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While I generally respect Bill Nye, it would seem that he deliberately went out of his way to insult religious fundamentalists. What he said was irrelevant to the theme of his presentation.

[ 20 April 2006: Message edited by: Bobolink ]


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Really? What was the "theme" of his presentation? The article didn't really tell us.

And I find it odd that you would say that speaking scientific truth amounts to deliberately going out of one's way to insult religious fundamentalists. Do you think science has nothing to say on the subject of those faraway lights up in the sky?


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he deliberately went out of his way to insult religious fundamentalists.

What were religious fundies doing at a lecture by a "science guy"? I think it was the "religious fundies" that went out of their way to be insulted.


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AE also wrote a column on this subject. (I don't think it's been posted anywhere else.)
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posted 20 April 2006 04:12 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Has too!
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Sharon
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Oops. Sorry Michelle. I'll try to be more careful.
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The flat earth members are everywhere and getting louder. Copernicus and Galileo are rolling over as I write this.
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posted 23 April 2006 08:20 PM      Profile for Bobolink   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
Really? What was the "theme" of his presentation? The article didn't really tell us.

And I find it odd that you would say that speaking scientific truth amounts to deliberately going out of one's way to insult religious fundamentalists. Do you think science has nothing to say on the subject of those faraway lights up in the sky?


Actually, I referred to AE's own article on this

quote:
Nye, rather than putting on his TV persona for the kiddies, instead spoke frankly about global warming, fossil fuels and exploring Mars. He got into hot water, though, when he critiqued the literal interpretation of the biblical verse Genesis 1:16: “God made two great lights — the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.”

Nye said the sun, the “greater light,” is but one of countless stars and that the “lesser light” is the moon, which really is not a light at all, rather a reflector of light.


It would appear that Nye deliberately and in a way irrelevant to the theme of his talk took a shot at the Bible. So it would appear that Nye can also mix science with theology. He was deliberately baiting some in his audience and some kids lost the value of his presenatation as a consequence. Even scientists can be obnoxious, as Nye was if AE's article is correct. The nature of the sun and the moon as described in Genesis has little to do with global warming.

[ 23 April 2006: Message edited by: Bobolink ]


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The nature of the sun and the moon as described in Genesis has little to do with global warming.

It certainly does if those you are trying to teach about the science of global warming are hiding behind religious superstition in order to rationalize not dealing with the issue.

How do you teach science to kids who are brainwashed into believing religious superstition without first attempting to deprogram them?


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quote:
Originally posted by Bobolink:
The nature of the sun and the moon as described in Genesis has little to do with global warming.
So you have managed to conclude on the basis of no evidence whatsoever that the "true" theme of the talk was global warming, and that everything else Nye said on other subjects was off-topic and a deliberate provocation against the religious fundies.

I guess you would also fault him for talking about Mars exploration, which also has nothing to do with global warming.

When a college invites a well-known popularizer of science to come and give a presentation as part of a "Distinguished Lecturer" Series, does it really seem such an outrage that he would actually talk about science? If they didn't want him to shatter their precious illusions about the Moon, why did they invite him to speak? Why not just get the pastor to come and give another sermon about the creation myth?


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If you guys aren't going to read AE's article and my comments, then why are you bothering to respond?
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I read AE's article, which contains no information about that particular event that was not also provided in the Waco Tribune article. Nowhere does it say what the topic or "theme" of the talk was supposed to be. I challenge you to provide a quote that shows otherwise.

As for your own comments, I of course read them as well. You don't have any information about that meeting apart from what was reported in the Waco Tribune article, so I don't know what you are on about.


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One would have to be blind to not notice that the lesser light only rules the night sky on non-cloudy nights when there is not a new moon. Otherwise even a literal interpretation could simply accept daylight and moonlight, and not their sources.
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That's funny, I didn't think I was on Free Dominion.
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You might as well be.

I'm sure the religious fundies at FD would be delighted to join you in casting unsubstantiated slurs against Bill Nye and any other "Distinguished Lecturers" who forget to launder their talks so as not to upset the medieval world-view of any Texas fundies who happen to be in the audience.

I notice you haven't been able to accept my challenge.

[ 04 May 2006: Message edited by: M. Spector ]


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I hold the 1992 Andrew Elvin's Award for Promotion of Astronomy from the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada, Toronto Centre.

http://toronto.rasc.ca/content/ElvinsAward.shtml

I am well aware that our Sun is a star amongst many, somewhat larger than most but a lot smaller than some. The Moon is a cold body. I believe the universe was created with the Big Bang about 13.5 billion years ago. However, if I was giving a talk abut this, I would not go out of my way to disparage Biblical verses nor any other person's Holy Book.

And, yes, you are behaving like the net bullies who inhabit Free Dominion.


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quote:
Originally posted by Bobolink:
I believe the universe was created with the Big Bang about 13.5 billion years ago.
By making this statement you have just "gone out of your way" to offend millions of Texas fundamentalists.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

I notice you still haven't been able to accept my challenge.

[ 30 April 2006: Message edited by: M. Spector ]


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Nonsense. Said fundies do not get the idea of both general and special revelation. Their narrowness, and their consequent offence, is of their own making.
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There are none so blind as those who will not see. Check out AE's link to the Waco Trib-Herald. And M. Spector, I'm done with you. You're not worth my time. I have no patience with fanatics and you are no better than the woman in Waco.
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posted 30 April 2006 07:16 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Telling me yet again to check out AE's link to the Waco Herald is no answer at all.

I have already told you I have read both AE's article and the Waco Tribune-Herald article, and the one salient "fact" on which your whole position is based does not appear anywhere; that fact being the "theme" that Bill Nye was supposed to be talking about.

I have challenged you repeatedly to point it out to me, which I knew you could not do, as it does not exist. Therefore I repeat my assertion that you had no evidence at all for concluding that Bill Nye was supposed to be talking about global warming, but purposely deviated from the topic in order to provoke the Texas fundies.

You are pathetic.


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quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
You are pathetic.

How about taking your mutual disdain to e-mail or private message. I don't see how doing what you are doing in open channel will do any more than encourage the two of you to dig in further.


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quote:
... Nye encouraged the audience to take interest in discovery and “change the world,” a mantra he repeated throughout.

I get the sense (without the benefit of knowing the context of his criticism) that Nye was illustrating the incompatibility between science and discovery, and the tenets of religion. The Bible may be open to interpretation, but it is essentially useless in explaining the natural world (at least what we've learned about it in the last 3000 years).
If he pissed off some fundamentalists, intentionally or otherwise, too bad. It's the 21st century - time to get real.


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