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Snuckles
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posted 06 February 2005 03:35 AM      Profile for Snuckles   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The Shroud of Turin is back! After keeping a low profile for a few years, new experiments on the age of the shroud were all over the papers and websites last week. But while the coverage was heavily pro-shroud, a closer look tells a different story.

Read it here.

[ 06 February 2005: Message edited by: Snuckles ]


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Hephaestion
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posted 06 February 2005 03:42 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gosh, I like Jay Ingram, too. I sure miss him on CBC. He's a darn sight better than Bob McDonald.

(We don't get Discovery here, w/o a dish, which I ain't got.)


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voice of the damned
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posted 06 February 2005 04:04 AM      Profile for voice of the damned     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The shroud of Turin is almost certainly a hoax. But ya gotta admit: it's a pretty damned good hoax. I mean, is there anything else like it in the world?
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skdadl
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posted 06 February 2005 09:23 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, there is that burial box -- what is the term for it? -- that visited the ROM a couple of years ago and that some claim is the [coffin] of Jesus' brother James.
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Agent 204
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posted 06 February 2005 09:25 AM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Remember a few years ago there were people hoping to get a DNA sample from the Shroud and clone Jesus, thus bringing about the second coming?
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thwap
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posted 06 February 2005 09:27 AM      Profile for thwap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Keenan:
Remember a few years ago there were people hoping to get a DNA sample from the Shroud and clone Jesus, thus bringing about the second coming?

wouldn't that be blasphemy?

What would be cool would be if [assuming there was a historical Jesus] the shroud were real, and they got his DNA and cloned him and he turned out to have no super powers whatsoever!


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Hephaestion
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posted 06 February 2005 10:22 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
Well, there is that burial box -- what is the term for it?

I b'lieve the term you want is "ossuary" (sp?)

quote:
Originally posted by thwap:
What would be cool would be if [assuming there was a historical Jesus] the shroud were real, and they got his DNA and cloned him and he turned out to have no super powers whatsoever!

Sort of an Un-Ultra Man?


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Papal Bull
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posted 06 February 2005 12:13 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
Well, there is that burial box -- what is the term for it? -- that visited the ROM a couple of years ago and that some claim is the [coffin] of Jesus' brother James.

That claim was found to be a fraud done by some Israeli and international antique dealers, auctioneers, etc.


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voice of the damned
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posted 06 February 2005 11:23 PM      Profile for voice of the damned     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Remember a few years ago there were people hoping to get a DNA sample from the Shroud and clone Jesus, thus bringing about the second coming?

Wasn't that the Raelians, Canada's major contribution the world of free-love spirituality? Old Rael's actually got a bit of a following here in Korea. He showed up at Incheon airport a year or so ago, and was actually denied entry to the country!


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Gir Draxon
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posted 07 February 2005 12:39 AM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Keenan:
Remember a few years ago there were people hoping to get a DNA sample from the Shroud and clone Jesus, thus bringing about the second coming?

No, that was a Star Trek TNG episode.


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Polly Brandybuck
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posted 07 February 2005 12:49 AM      Profile for Polly Brandybuck     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Keenan:
Remember a few years ago there were people hoping to get a DNA sample from the Shroud and clone Jesus, thus bringing about the second coming?

And he leans over and whispers to Dubya...."that voice in your head? Not me."


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Contrarian
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posted 07 February 2005 01:54 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Amen.
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catje
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posted 07 February 2005 10:29 PM      Profile for catje     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by voice of the damned:
I mean, is there anything else like it in the world?

well, since i just happened to have presented a paper on this last saturday . . .

[random historical interlude]
Well, Bishop Eusebius of Caesarea wrote in the 4th century about Christ wiping a cloth over his face and producing a similar imprint, which he ostensibly sent to King Abgar V of Edessa. Bishop E. claimed to have found letters between Jesus and the King (who actually was a historical King in the beginning of the 1st century). This, image, called the Mandylion was subsequently held up as proof that Jesus himself had produced an icon, which meant they must be okay (a matter under considerable dispute up to the iconoclasm of the 8th century). A similar story exists in western tradition, claiming that christ's face was imprinted on St. Veronica's veil when she wiped his face with it during his stagger up to Calvary. But no one claims to have seen either of these two images in a couple of hundred years. [/random historical interlude]

In short, the carefully considered academic answer is: 'maybe'.


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