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josh
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posted 15 December 2003 03:19 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
See where you fit in:

http://selectsmart.com/PHILOSOPHY/

As for me, Sartre (100%), Kant (97%), Spinoza (90%).


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posted 15 December 2003 03:38 PM      Profile for redshift     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1. Kant (100%)
2. John Stuart Mill (97%)
3. Jean-Paul Sartre (92%)
and happy to exist here.

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posted 15 December 2003 03:41 PM      Profile for googlymoogly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1. Epicureans (100%)
2. Ayn Rand (98%)
3. Aristotle (95%)
4. Jean-Paul Sartre (79%)
5. Spinoza (74%)

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posted 15 December 2003 03:46 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
John Stuart Mill 100%
Jeremy Bentham 99%
Aquinas 81%
Ayn Rand 81%

AYN RAND ???!


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Michelle
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posted 15 December 2003 03:47 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1. Jean-Paul Sartre (100%)
2. Nietzsche (86%)
3. Epicureans (79%)
4. Spinoza (75%)

Not surprising. My existential philosophy course was by far the most personally relevant and rewarding one I took.


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Michelle
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posted 15 December 2003 03:48 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't worry, oldgoat. Ayn Rand was something like 6th or 7th on my list. I nearly choked, then figured it was just a glitch in the program or something.
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posted 15 December 2003 03:50 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1. John Stuart Mill (100%
2. Aquinas (92%)
3. Spinoza (88%)
4. Jeremy Bentham (78%)
5. Aristotle (76%)

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Lima Bean
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posted 15 December 2003 03:54 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm like this: Sartre, Aquinas, Spinoza,

Who's Spinoza? And why did Ayn Rand end up on my list, even if she was way down at the bottom.


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Michelle
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posted 15 December 2003 03:55 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nobody has Plato? Come on, someone must believe that morals are ready-made, independent of human existence, and floating out there in a heaven-world of forms somewhere.
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posted 15 December 2003 03:58 PM      Profile for googlymoogly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For me, Plato was #11 at 59%.
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Doug
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posted 15 December 2003 04:01 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spinoza/

There you go!


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Michelle
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posted 15 December 2003 04:04 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lima Bean, Spinoza is one of the philosophers I keep meaning to read more of and never getting around to it. Thanks for getting me to do a web search, it's renewed my interest yet again.

http://members.aol.com/Heraklit1/spinoza.htm


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Lima Bean
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posted 15 December 2003 04:07 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
so much god-talk I had to quit reading. Why did he score so high in my responses if I don't even believe in god?

That quiz is somethin' funny.


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Michelle
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posted 15 December 2003 04:15 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, Spinoza had some pretty unorthodox ideas about God himself, which is why he was excommunicated by his Jewish community.
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mighty brutus
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posted 15 December 2003 04:21 PM      Profile for mighty brutus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My top four:
John Stuart Mill (100%)
Aquinas (96%)
Ockham (93%)
Kant (92%)

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Timebandit
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posted 15 December 2003 04:49 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1. Jean-Paul Sartre (100%)
2. Kant (86%)
3. John Stuart Mill (83%)
4. Spinoza (61%)
5. Jeremy Bentham (57%)

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clersal
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posted 15 December 2003 05:02 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1. Kant (100%)
2. Jean-Paul Sartre (80%)
3. Stoics (74%)
4. John Stuart Mill (71%)
5. Ayn Rand (70%)

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Rebecca West
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posted 15 December 2003 05:21 PM      Profile for Rebecca West     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1. Spinoza (100%)
2. Prescriptivism (95%)
3. Jean-Paul Sartre (91%)
4. Nietzsche (86%)
5. Kant (84%)

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Jacob Two-Two
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posted 15 December 2003 03:25 PM      Profile for Jacob Two-Two     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1. Aquinas (100%)
2. Spinoza (92%)
3. Aristotle (75%)
4. St. Augustine (75%)
5. Plato (66%)

Hmm. Apparently this thing thinks I'm a moral absolutist. I had a hard time with this quiz, though, because I didn't feel strongly about any of my answers. I marked everything low priority, and mostly wanted to choose "no answer", but I knew I'd get nothing at all if I didn't fill in the spaces. The truth is, I'm still very confused about my conceptions of morality and what justifies them, since I don't believe that ethics are received or a priori. If there's no objective morality, then how is there a morality at all? I dunno, but I feel very strongly that there is. Maybe I should have finished my philosophy degree.


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Courage
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posted 15 December 2003 05:32 PM      Profile for Courage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
First try. I bet later today, or tommorrow, things would be different. I found it interesting that even though in several cases I knew the meaning of the statement -- considering a certain knowledge of philosophical language -- wasn't intended in quite the way I meant it, that I was reluctant to choose 'Doesn't Matter/Dislike' for some reason. Is their a moral proclivity against nihilism in there somewhere? I'm also very curious how manipulation of the 'High, Medium, Low' barometer would effect the overall results given the same choices, but with different emphasis.

1. Jean-Paul Sartre (100%)
2. Kant (91%)
3. Nel Noddings (83%)
4. St. Augustine (81%)
5. Aquinas (72%)
6. Spinoza (71%)
7. Ayn Rand (69%)
8. Cynics (60%)
9. Nietzsche (59%)

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Milo_Hayes
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posted 15 December 2003 05:58 PM      Profile for Milo_Hayes        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why did you accept the questions as posed?
Pointless, surely. Fun, maybe.

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Courage
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posted 15 December 2003 06:05 PM      Profile for Courage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Milo_Hayes:
Why did you accept the questions as posed?
Pointless, surely. Fun, maybe.

That's what I was wondering the entire time, in fact. The auto-fascism inherent in my own behaviour was, in part, visible to me. You aren't the only one in the world who is watching from the "outside". Though you like to pretend that's the way - your discursive subterfuge speaks volumes.

Your insistence that no one else took this as 'fun' in the same 'detached' way you did is fascinating as it ignores virtually all the responses above questioning the make-up of the questions, the design of the program, etc. It seems an attitude designed to assure your own feelings of superiority rather than give anyone else any credit for intelligence.

Wasn't it Goethe who said that to the intelligent man everything seems ridiculous, but to the sensible man barely anything is?

[ 15 December 2003: Message edited by: Courage ]


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posted 15 December 2003 07:02 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
100% Stoicism:

The common capacity to reason allows all humans to achieve virtue and wisdom.

The external circumstances of a person's life are irrelevant.

One can achieve virtue by becoming indifferent to external differences.

Passions must be rejected all together in deciding what is good and what is bad.

Reason alone must be used in deciding what is good and what is bad.

The common ability of humans to reason is why ethical relativism should be rejected.

Pretty close to bang on.


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Gaia_Child
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posted 15 December 2003 08:15 PM      Profile for Gaia_Child     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In some ways, I was surprised by my results. I have not studied philosophy extensively, but I have a general idea of what various philosophers stand for.

I was quite surprised to see my Sartre ranking as 100%. I certainly never intended to choose answers which led to a perfect Sartre score. However, when I have read philosophy (low-intensity), I have sensed that the French Existentialists are rather close to my political and philosophical dispositions.

I'm not surprised that I scored so low on Plato. Reading the "Republic" in PoliSci, I could never figure out what made this man such a "genius"!

1. Jean-Paul Sartre (100%)
2. Nel Noddings (76%)
3. Kant (72%)
4. Aquinas (60%)
5. Ayn Rand (59%)
6. Stoics (58%)
7. Jeremy Bentham (57%)
8. St. Augustine (56%)
9. Nietzsche (54%)
10. Thomas Hobbes (53%)
11. Spinoza (51%)
12. David Hume (45%)
13. John Stuart Mill (45%)
14. Epicureans (43%)
15. Aristotle (39%)
16. Plato (37%)
17. Prescriptivism (37%)
18. Ockham (32%)
19. Cynics (32%)


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Michelle
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posted 15 December 2003 08:21 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Jacob Two-Two:
Hmm. Apparently this thing thinks I'm a moral absolutist.

If you think this thing "thinks", then I guess you're not a David Chalmers disciple of philosophy of mind. Hee hee.


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Scout
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posted 15 December 2003 08:33 PM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1. Jean-Paul Sartre   (100%)
2.  John Stuart Mill   (100%)
3. Kant   (100%)
4. Aquinas   (96%)
5. Epicureans   (88%)
6. Stoics   (88%)
7. Spinoza   (81%)
8. David Hume   (75%)
9. Nietzsche   (75%)
10. Prescriptivism   (73%)

Interesting, I'd like to read more Kant.


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Courage
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posted 15 December 2003 08:43 PM      Profile for Courage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did it again with enirely different results.
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posted 15 December 2003 09:03 PM      Profile for spatrioter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1. Jean-Paul Sartre (100%)
2. John Stuart Mill (90%)
3. Epicureans (80%)
4. Aquinas (76%)
5. Ayn Rand (67%)

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posted 15 December 2003 10:09 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1. Spinoza (100%)
2. Stoics (87%)
3. Jeremy Bentham (84%)
4. Aquinas (82%)
5. Kant (82%)
6. John Stuart Mill (68%)
7. Jean-Paul Sartre (63%)
8. St. Augustine (62%)
9. Aristotle (61%)

Given the way the questions are skewed, Nietszche didn't even rate on my list, although he's the only philosopher I read for fun.

I remember liking what Spinoza had to say whenever I read him. I thought he was a lot like Erasmus, who I often agree with.

I'm worried about the Bentham and Aristotle, though.


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1. Kant (100%)
2. Mill (81%)
3. Bentham (70%)
4. Prescriptivism (60%)
5. Ayn Rand (56%) - WTF?
6. Aquinas (55%)

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Geneva
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posted 18 December 2003 04:12 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hmmmm.....
as a philosophy major at McGill, way way back, I spent years immersed in Kant, Hegel, Marx and Sartre,
I wrote a thesis on Sartre, consider his Being and Nothingness a psychology classic, but on my deathbed would undoubtedly say Kant's Critique really answered the philosophical Big Questions for me

So ..... who shows up on my ethical-o-meter?

1. Aquinas (100%)
2. Ayn Rand (89%)

3. Jean-Paul Sartre (89%)
4. John Stuart Mill (88%)
then [...]
5. Jeremy Bentham (85%)
6. Plato (83%)
7. Aristotle (82%)
8. Kant (80%)
9. Ockham (57%)
10. Prescriptivism (57%)
11. St. Augustine (54%)
12. Cynics (46%)
13. David Hume (46%)
14. Epicureans (46%)
15. Spinoza (45%)
16. Nietzsche (41%)
17. Thomas Hobbes (37%)
18. Stoics (34%)
19. Nel Noddings (16%)

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posted 18 December 2003 01:34 PM      Profile for Gentlebreeze     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1. Aquinas (100%)
2. Jean-Paul Sartre (93%)
3. Jeremy Bentham (90%)
4. Kant (90%)
5. Aristotle (81%)
6. Plato (80%)
7. Stoics (77%)
8. John Stuart Mill (65%)
9. Nel Noddings (65%)
10. Spinoza (62%)

AQUINAS Strange #1 for an atheist...


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posted 18 December 2003 01:43 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1. St. Augustine (100%)
2. Aquinas (88%)
3. Aristotle (57%)
4. Plato (57%)
5. Spinoza (52%)
6. Ockham (51%)

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josh
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posted 18 December 2003 01:56 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As an experiment, I did the test again hoping to get a different perspective on each question. The top three still came out the same, only with Kant (100%) and Sartre (97%) exchanging places. Spinoza remained third as 90%. So I guess it's official, Kant and Sartre for me.
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Michelle
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posted 18 December 2003 07:55 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I did it again and got the same top three:

1. Jean-Paul Sartre (100%) Click here for info
2. Nietzsche (80%) Click here for info
3. Epicureans (74%) Click here for info
4. Aristotle (70%) Click here for info
5. David Hume (70%) Click here for info
6. Spinoza (66%) Click here for info

But Spinoza moved to #6. Weird. However, I have found both times taking the test that I'm not altogether happy with two or three of the sets of answers given - and I think both times I answered them in ways that I'm not happy with, and both times I answered them differently in ways that I don't really think are "me". For instance, I wouldn't consider myself an Aristotelean, really. I think I probably have more in common with Spinoza philosophically than Aristotle.

Also, I don't see how I'm getting Epicureans every time. I don't see myself as an Epicurean at all - I definitely don't believe that pleasure is the ultimate moral end. But then again, as I said above, there were two or three questions where I wasn't really completely happy with any of the answers, so I chose the one I was least unhappy with rather than just keep hitting "doesn't matter/don't like answers".

I kept finding myself saying, "Well, I suppose this answer could be right, but what about such-and-such a consideration?"

But hey. It's a fun test, despite the fact that philosophy can't (or at least shouldn't!) be done by multiple choice, so what the heck.


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posted 18 December 2003 09:37 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anyone who is 80% Nietszche and 70% Aristotle is doing quite a balancing act, since Nietszche denied absolutely every single thing that Aristotle taught.

Congratulations michelle!


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Michelle
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posted 18 December 2003 09:45 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, that's just it! I can see where the Nietzsche and Sartre come in, but Aristotle? Aristotle really isn't "me".
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posted 18 December 2003 09:46 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1. Jeremy Bentham (100%)
2. Spinoza (98%)
3. Kant (92%)
4. John Stuart Mill (91%)
5. Cynics (83%)

I was expecting that a mainstream economist would have Ayn Rand coming in higher than number 11.


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Michelle
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posted 18 December 2003 09:49 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not really sure what Ayn Rand is doing on a list of philosophers anyhow.
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posted 18 December 2003 09:57 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, she did have some pretty firm ideas about what is right and wrong.
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posted 18 December 2003 09:59 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
True. So does my 5 year-old.

Then again, I respect his philosophical thought much more than Ayn Rand's.


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Stephen Gordon
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Remember this?
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No Yards
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posted 18 December 2003 10:30 PM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I seem to take an all or nothing approach ?? 100% and then down to 69%??


1. Jean-Paul Sartre (100%)
2. Kant (69%)
3. David Hume (63%)
4. Nietzsche (60%)
5. Cynics (60%)
6. Aquinas (53%)
7. Stoics (53%)
8. John Stuart Mill (52%)
9. Spinoza (50%)
10. Jeremy Bentham (47%)
11. St. Augustine (46%)
12. Ayn Rand (44%)
13. Thomas Hobbes (42%)
14. Plato (40%)
15. Prescriptivism (39%)
16. Ockham (37%)
17. Epicureans (33%)
18. Aristotle (30%)
19. Nel Noddings (24%)


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posted 19 December 2003 12:40 AM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
1. Spinoza (100%) Click here for info
2. Epicureans (91%) Click here for info
3. John Stuart Mill (84%) Click here for info
4. Kant (82%) Click here for info
5. Stoics (74%) Click here for info
6. Jeremy Bentham (73%) Click here for info
7. Aquinas (69%) Click here for info
8. Nietzsche (69%) Click here for info
9. Aristotle (66%) Click here for info
10. Jean-Paul Sartre (65%) Click here for info
11. Ayn Rand (64%) Click here for info
12. David Hume (57%) Click here for info
13. Prescriptivism (53%) Click here for info
14. St. Augustine (50%) Click here for info
15. Thomas Hobbes (50%) Click here for info
16. Cynics (39%) Click here for info
17. Ockham (38%) Click here for info
18. Nel Noddings (33%) Click here for info
19. Plato (30%) Click here for info

I was thinking about that Ayn Rand thing... perhaps you guys don't hate her as much as you would like to?

Her three main points, as quoted by the author of the quiz:

quote:
We should all act with our own interests as the ultimate goal of our actions.
We have free will.
Moral standards are objective, and can be known rationally.

I'd expect the first to be rather disagreeable with most babblers, but what about having free will? Objecitve morality?

Rand was a libertarian, so many left-wingers could agree with her positions on the social libterty of the individual.


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I came out Bentham 100%, Kant 98%, Mill 94%.
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